WXV Divisions

[Nails]

I prefer just leaving it at as it is to be honest (if you couldn't guess)

I'll do a mock 2013 season based on 2012 results, using Option B to see how it would have worked out :) But give me time!

I think you'd have to do Mock 2012 and Mock 2013 for it to work properly

As you'd see how Dublin would work being in a weak division one year then stronger the next and arrr too confusing.

[CrowsFan]

He can't do a mock 2012 using option B since we hadn't played a season yet so no way of getting scores to assign us to a group to start with.

Look if your mock 2013 still gives me the championship I'm all for using it :P

[Nails]

Could kinda use the first few rounds to make decisions then make an imaginary fixture then play those scores back in to work out divisions and results for 2012 kinda thing.

[Ringo]

I like the idea of the Conferences but I have come up with another way of allocating (Any of New Delhi ,Cairo or Seoul could move south of the equator but have New Delhi there atm)

Southern Hemisphere Conference
Sau Paulo, Buenos Aires, Capetown, Pacific, New Delhi

Western Northern Hemisphere Conference
Dublin, London, PNL, Berlin, Bejing, Cairo

Eastern Northern Hemisphere Conference
Seoul, Moscow, Tokyo. Toronto. New York, Mexico City

Bit of Licence taken with a couple but think this can be developed and creates relative even confernces. Ossie may be able to work out scores for each conference and may be a bit closer than original lists.

Definitely not in favour of Captains choices though.

[ossie85]

^ not a bad way of grouping things Ringo. Could be the way forward!

[ossie85]

Using a Conference/Division system for 2013 from 2012 results

Conferences (based on 2012 points scored, while keeping rivals intact).

Conference A: Sao Paulo/Buenos Aires/Wellington/Pacific/London/Dublin (scored 13,630 points)

Conference B: Mexico City/Toronto/Beijing/New Delhi/Moscow/New York (scored 13,713 points)

Conference C: Cape Town/Cairo/Seoul/Tokyo/PNL/Berlin (scored 13,802 points)


Note: I've done ROUGH estimates. Fixtures are generally random anyway, so I've done ladders based on total points scored after 10 rounds, so it has removed that random element that is bound to happen. I've also not changed any HG scores.


Conference ladder after 10 rounds (total points scored).

Conference A

1. Sao Paulo (1,562 points)
2. Buenos Aires (1,557 points)
3. London (1,376 points)
4. Dublin (1,337 points)
5. Pacific (1,135 points)
6. Wellington (1,100 points)


Conference B

1. Mexico City (1,573 points)
2. Toronto (1,423 points)
3. Moscow (1,381 points)
4. New York (1,328 points)
5. New Delhi (1,052 points)
6. Beijing (1,066 points)

Conference C

1. Cape Town (1,394 points)
2. Cairo (1,377 points)
3. Berlin (1,370 points)
4. Seoul (1,365 points)
5. Tokyo (1,334 points)
6. PNL (1,297 points)


So, even with random nature of fixture involved, it would be hard to see Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires and Mexico City NOT making into Division. Would likely be some competition between Toronto and Moscow for the final Conf B spot, while Conference C was a crazy close crazy of cray-cray.

So, again assumed entirely on points, the Divisions would have been:

Division A: Sao Paulo, Mexico City, Cape Town, Buenos Aires, Toronto, Cairo  [Moscow the unlucky one]

Division B: London, Moscow, Berlin, Dublin, New York, Seoul [Tokyo the unlucky one]

Division C: Wellington, New Delhi, Tokyo, Pacific, Beijing, PNL


Again, only a rough calculation but based on the last 7 rounds (I don't have 8, and it excludes the games they would have played against each other in the conferences....)


Division A

1. Mexico City (1,019)
2. Sao Paulo (1,005)
3. Cairo (996)
4. Buenos Aires (975)
5. Toronto (961)
6. Cape Town (930)

Division B

1. Moscow (1024)
2. Dublin (1017)
3. New York (937)
4. London (925)
5. Berlin (918)
6. Seoul (881)

Division C

1. PNL (982)
2. Tokyo (925)
3. New Delhi (849)
4. Pacific (832)
5. Beijing (807)
6. Wellington (803)

Which means the first week of finals could have looked something like this:

QF
Mexico City v Buenos Aires
Sao Paulo v Cairo
EF
Toronto v Dublin
Cape Town v Moscow

With the big change being Dublin replaces Berlin in the top 8, and Cairo replaces Moscow in the top 4. But this is excluding the random factor (Cairo might never have made Div A)

[Nige]

That Cairo performance.  :o

[Holz]

Dublin 159 Defeats Torotno 131
Dublin 164 Defeats Suns 
Dublin ? v Pumas 145

will work out later if i would have knocked out the champs (probably not)

[CrowsFan]

If you're playing me in the final I scored 160...

[Holz]

If you're playing me in the final I scored 160...

im playing you in the prelim

[CrowsFan]

If you're playing me in the final I scored 160...

im playing you in the prelim

Just went through it and wouldn't you be playing Cairo in the prelim? I would have lost to them in the first week of finals.

Which would mean the prelims were you vs Cairo and me vs Dillos. So I would once again beat the dillos in the prelim and most likely play you in the final, where I would score 160...

[Justin Bieber]

Conference C

1. Cape Town (1,394 points)
2. Cairo (1,377 points)
3. Berlin (1,370 points)
4. Seoul (1,365 points)
5. Tokyo (1,334 points)
6. PNL (1,297 points)

I saw this conference being the closest, but didn't expect it to be that close :o. Certainly would have been the most competitive league. Nice to see PNL may have won Division C :P.

[Torpedo10]

This idea is still confusing to me, need to have a good read.  :-\

[Master Q]

Yeah I haven't read this page in days.

[My Chumps]

^ not a bad way of grouping things Ringo. Could be the way forward!

If you split the conferences up now to make them fair, there's no stopping it becoming unfair in the future.

Unless I've misunderstood, but if we were to split by location it would be permanent, right? Because it's not like teams would be changing countries/cities. So what happens if for instance we split it up now using Ringo's proposed, and in 5 years time Seoul, Moscow, Tokyo, Toronto, New York and Mexico City are fantastic teams, all amongst the top 8 scoring wise. It would be incredibly stiff for some of those teams to miss out just because they're in a strong division. I know i'd be pissed off.

If we're going to split it up into divisions I'd like it to be changing after every season to try and make it more fair.