2014 Predictions

[elephants]

Makes him okay LE

In that season he had like 8 or 9 (forgot/lost count) sub 80 games.

He's okay, not really Minson quality good though.

Ok? Really? Lets look at some previous gun rucks.

Dean Cox: Ave 63 @ 22 years old.
Aaron Sandliands: Ave 57 @ 22 years old.
Todd Goldstein: Ave 74 @ 22 years old.

Even your beloved Will Minson only averaged a mere 44 points per game as a 22 year old.

You're clearly missing the point anyway, you said Nic Nat isn't good at DT which is complete BS. You're saying that to tempt Vinny into trading for another ruck OR to be a general douche.

[Nails]

You realise trading is over? How am I trying to convince him into trading? lol

You're only as good as your last game they say.

Dozens of players have had 1 premo season then never again. He finished his 2013 season with 4 consecutive sub 70s scores.

Naitanui is yet to prove himself to be a premium dreamteam ruckman. Facts are facts.

Also you're comparing apples with oranges. When Minson and Cox were 22 100 DT was considered a super premo. A ruck was nothing more than a tap specialist.

[elephants]

Hahahaha.

You seriously think NicNat won't have another premo season? If it weren't for injury he would have another one at 23 years of age.

Naitanui is 23, no ruckman had 'proven' themselves at such a young age. flower, most rucks weren't even in their clubs best 22 at that age.

Thats another irrelevant fact plucked out by you. 100 is super premium? Nice. 44, 57 and 63 is not even close to 100 while 85 is really quite close to 105 ::)

Saying NicNat isn't any good at DT is completely false but you just can't admit it :-\

[elephants]

He finished his 2013 season with 4 consecutive sub 70s scores.

Now I am going to assume you're plying dumb here. Lets break his 2013 season down.

He comes off no preseason whatsoever due to shoulder and groin issues. He misses the 5 games of the season and comes on as the sub to score 34 points in just over a quarter. Then he gets a nice 6 game run together of 80, 103, 105, 80, 98 and 91 before copping a hit from Franklin against the Hawks. His next four games (if you watched/took any notice of them instead of just looking at stats behind a keyboard) he suffered from his lack of match fitness off the back of no pre-season to speak of. He fought through these games and eventually was mothballed for the season with the groin issue that was severely restricting his running and jumping.

Now obviously there are reasons for this drop-off and when he was fit and out there, he scored like a beast again so....

[Nails]

He's yet to prove to be a GOOD DT ruck. Anyone can have 1 good season. brb perma locking Nicholls into my team

He's had a decent season of 86 average, so what?

He's a supercoach ruck predominantly and he's okay at DT. You obviously don't know what "good" is.

[Nails]

Also you clearly don't understand the reference to ruck average differences...

Clark Keating was a multiple premiership gun ruckman. Though back in those earlier years i.e. 2001-2006 when Cox/Minson were young he only averaged in the 40s.

Rucks played a role that only allowed them to average 40s. Hence Minson/Cox low average.

[elephants]

OH MY GOD IM FACEPALMING SO HARD RIGHT NOW.

NicNat average 86 as a 22 year old. He's not 'no good at DT'.

Keating averaged 40's? Oh so you've just contradicted your earlier post about premiums being 100 ave back in the day. Oh, and Leigh Brown won a premiership. He's not in my DT of the century ::)

I'm seriously not arguing this any further. You know now you were wrong in the first place and you're trying to manipulate the argument to something completely off topic to come put on top.

You're wrong. Accept it. I'm done here.

[Nails]

Mate you're being a flowerwit for no reason at all. It's a matter of personal opinion and I just don't think nicnat is that good at DT.

Really comes down to what your opinion of good is. IMO 90+ is good.

Also @ 22 Cox averaged 77.5, not 63... because he was born in August the season where he was mostly 22 was the following season. He also averaged 95 @ 23.

Do you know what a contradiction is? My point was scores were lower and even premo rucks scored lower as a result. A super premo average for MIDFIELDERS was 100 dickwad. Well back in 2003 a premo average was more like 90s for MIDS.

I'm hardly wrong. NicNat isn't a good DT ruck. He's an okay, serviceable ruck.

Would you start NicNat in your DT? If you would that's stupid. He's not that good. Would you start him in SC? yes.

You make it seem like 86 @ 22yo is awesome.

Ben McEvoy - 90.4 @ 21yo turned 22yo in July
Todd Goldstein - 2011 was 22yo for half the season - 99 average
Leuenberger - 2011 was 22yo half the season - 92 average

Sandilands, Cox, Minson, Ryder, Hamish McIntosh, Todd Goldstein, Leuenberger, Mumford, McEvoy, Maric and Roughead.

^ 90+ rucks from last few years, lot of them 95+

86 average? Yeah, he's okay. He's not "good" though. Well he's good if you want a substandard average.










end of the day mate, who really gives a stuff ey? Really just a matter of opinion. No reason for you to get all aggressive and accusatory mate. Really it doesn't matter end of the day, just stupid ass numbers really haha.

[Vinny]

Nails, he will be good for sure man. His potential is crazy normally you would say if a kid averaged that much at that age in your team, you'd say he would be a freak when his older. Haha surely man you don't think NicNat will be a flop?

[Nails]

You gaiz know engrish?

I said he is. I didn't say he wouldn't be.

spuds.

[Vinny]

Haha don't need to get hostile man ;)

So you think Minson for NicNat would have been beneficial to me?

[Justin Bieber]

Only problem with Minson in his early years is that he wasn't #1 and kept on getting dropped

[Justin Bieber]

Haha don't need to get hostile man ;)

Avoid calling each other stupid and making it more personal, otherwise the debate is fine as a matter of opinion what a Premium Ruck is.

And great read so far Zippy, always good to read through your predictions!

[Ziplock]

Iceland Polar Bears- Hellopplz
Predicted ranking: 8th (1425)

Team:
Backs: Harbrow (80), Mackie (80), Dempsey (75), McVeigh (98)
(Watts, Rance, Grundy, Stanley, Talia, Frawley, T Young, L Henderson)

Mids: S Selwood (C, 204), Lewis (90), Judd (90), Bennell (90
(Tyson, Ray, Hocking, Barry, Michie)

Rucks: Mumford (90)
(Griffin, Warnock, Gorringe)

Forwards: Wingard (85), Gray (85), Westhoff (88), Mayne (85)
(Adams, L Sumner, Casboult, O'Hanlon, Neade, Elliott, Impey, Merrett, Johnston)

Analysis:

It's an all round solid team, but with the exception of Scotter (who may return to a tagging role), the major issue with it is a lack of star players.

Backs: Are pretty decent. Honestly, I'd expect Watts to step up this year and muscle out Dempsey. It'll struggle should Mcveigh lose dpp at some point though- the cover is good JS wise, but pretty average scoring potential... Rance is like fantasy football's version of russian roulette (yes, amusing he isn't on Russia's team). And most of the others are KPP with average scoring potential. Really depending on Henderson to step up at some point, since if Watts ever comes good, he'll immediately lose defence eligibility.

Mids: Selwood's a beast, but if he goes back to a run with player, it'd be seriously damaging for iceland. Judd is beyond it DT wise, Lewis is average as mid only. Bennell will be good one day, but probably only quasi-premium this year. Duncan's in the same boat, and Wells has never been a real DTer. The cover's a bit light- Tyson and Michie could both be DT tanks in a year or two, Ray's only ever been an average DTer and Hocking isn't even that. I'm not too knowledgable on Barry to make a call.

Rucks: Solid ruck division- at their best both Mumford and Griffin are premium. Warnock is good cover, and Gorringe developing- probably Iceland's best line.

Forwards: Sitting with 4 quasi premiums, although I'd expect Wingard, Gray and Mayne to hit true premium level soon. Reallllly dependent on port's form, which really isn't a place I'd want to be in as a coach #cut4primus The cover's pretty average for the immediate future- it'd be better if Adams could recapture form, but he doesn't really get midfield rotations as often anymore. Future wise though, it's pretty decently stacked.

Summary: It's a team that deserves to be in the top 8, but atm is just well balanced over the lines, lacking real punching power. To take it to the next level, you'd be hoping on Judd recapturing 100+ form, and big breakouts from Duncan, Bennell, Wingard, Gray, Mayne and Watts. All possible, but I wouldn't bet on all of them occurring simultaneously.

[Justin Bieber]

Yeah, we lack stars :(. We know it, but we like our depth for now. Hoping some of our current lot could potentially step up further, we have a few who could possibly do it, just need to hope a few come along at the same time :P.

We like our Port forwards and (young) Demon mids! Could backfire but we're willing to take that chance. We have nice playing depth all around, but as you said, scoring potential may be limited with the KPPs.