WXV Trade Thread

[My Chumps]

Yeah, I had no problem with that trade at all. Definitely not one-sided enough for me to block it.

Loling at "Hawkins and Gaff seen to have roughly equal worth". What a joke. Gaff averages 71 AS A MIDFIELDER, and Hawkins, in a year where he's been absolutely plauged by injury, has averaged only 5 points lower with 66 AS A FORWARD. I'm sure I don't need to tell you all about how valuable forwards are?

Also you need to take into account Sid's team. He's got Libba, Christensen, Greene, Macrae, Treloar, Bennell and Prestia. Where does Gaff fit into that? And for him, it's basically
IN: Black, Atley, Hawkins
OUT: Birchall, Lee, Gaff

He's not really losing.
#endrant

[Nails]

Gaff is worth MORE than Hawkins.

5 points greater average, still young and will learn to break the tag.

Hawkins 25yo spud, averages 5 less. Only had 1 season above 79.

Gaff 21yo gun, averages 5 more. Has just as many seasons above 79 as Hawkins. Despite playing half the time.

[My Chumps]

amazingly I was least worried about the hogan trade I thought the jaeger bomb or birchall deal would have copped more votes.

anyway on that time to release the blockbuster trade.


correct me if im wrong chumps

Dublin Trade: Jack Watts + Jack Darling + Jed Lamb + Brad Hill + Lachy Plowman
Cape Town Trades: Jobe Watson + Lyndenn Dunn

Reason: Jobe Watson is a star, while he is pushing on in age he is contracted for 4 more years and while im not expecing him to be going 110+ in 3 years time he should be more than respectable. I need that 6th mid with the second utility spot normally vacated by NVB or other postions. Just doesnt cut it for a premiership hopeful. Dunn has questions marks on JS and role, if everything goes to plan he is a 90 average back, if it doesnt he plays in the vfl.

I have faith in guys like schoenemakers who i think would have averaged 75+ this year if he didnt get injured.

everyone tells me how good darling is but im not a big fan, watts is a massive loss as he was just starting to come good. He is one of the reasons why dublin were soo dominant towards the end of the year. Hill locked himself in the hawks 22 in his second year, thats very imprseive, plowman another top 3 pick with potential and lamb if he cracks into the sqaud can make it.

Im losing depth and youth but I have alot of guys on the bench that i really rate to cover. Im losing 2 of my starting 15 but gaininy 2 starters that i belief will combine for a bigger score.

Confirmed. Darling + Watts have a lot of potential, and it sures up my back and forward lines which need the most work. Lamb hasn't solidified his spot in Sydney's best 21 as of yet, but I'm sure he'll develop into a solid forward/mid. Hill looks handy, although I doubt he'll end up scoring much as he's more of an impact player. Plowman should be a solid scorer for years to come.

Saying goodbye to Watson is extremely difficult. He's been an excellent servent to the club since I picked him up in the third round back in the original draft (excellent drafting there MC ;) ). But, with my current list, I don't expect to win the premiership within the next 2 years when Watson will be averaging 115+. I may aswell trade him while he is at his highest value.

Sorry Holz, but that gets negged from me.

How? Who does it even favour? Nobody I'm getting is averaging over 80, so I suppose it favours Holz when he's getting a 115+ midfielder and a 85+ defender?

[kilbluff1985]

What about Hawkins back issues its said to be a permanent thing

It's the pick 8 that's the issue anyway 2nd round prob would of been passed

[My Chumps]

Gaff is worth MORE than Hawkins.

5 points greater average, still young and will learn to break the tag.

Hawkins 25yo spud, averages 5 less. Only had 1 season above 79.

Gaff 21yo gun, averages 5 more. Has just as many seasons above 79 as Hawkins. Despite playing half the time.

You're mental. How can you be sure somebody will learn to break the tag? A similar player in Stephen Hill hasn't, and he's averaging 80ish because of it. Very similar cases if you ask me.
Hawkins averaged over 100 in the second half of 2012 (when you don't count his sub affected 16) AS A MOTHERFLEEPING FORWARD.

*I should really be doing school work right now.

[My Chumps]

What about Hawkins back issues its said to be a permanent thing

It's the pick 8 that's the issue anyway 2nd round prob would of been passed

If I throw in a second rounder, will you guys let it pass?

[ossie85]

You're mental. How can you be sure somebody will learn to break the tag?

The same way you can be sure a player will get over a chronic back injury I suppose.

KB - Nicholls argument invalid anyway, Pacific didn't have the points to make that trade.

No talking about trades that haven't been voted on yet guys!

And yep, an updated cap list will be coming.

[kilbluff1985]

I know but I'm more debating why coaches voted against the Nicholls trade more then it getting rejected

[Nige]

So your saying that Nicholls isny worth pick 5 when the trade got negged because hes worth more? Lol.

Imo thought it was a much fairer trade then the three thst were referred to ossie

No, I'm saying that Nicholls isn't as godly as Pacific make him out to be and that's he not worth Pick 5...

Kinda thought it meant people thought Jay was giving away to much not us

If the Nicholls/Simpson trade went through we had trades planned we liked for Hampson and another one with Judd and Campbell

Now can't really do them

Shocked the Kerridge one got passed he is worth Stanley how is pick 23 worth Matt Jones, Stevenson and 88 ??

It is Jay giving away too much, because as Os stated, it takes them below the cap, but it's also because Nicholls is not worth Pick 5.

If you read Os' explanation you'd know why the Kerridge trade was passed. It was clearly stated and agreed to by both teams that the trade was fair and helped both teams out with their cap issues. We're above the cap, so trading players gets us under, while for Beijing, receiving players gets the closer to being above the cap. We have/had extensive back and mid depth so Jones and Stevenson were never going to get too many games whereas they're more likely to be best XV at Beijing. Pick 88 was merely an add-on. Beijing also have a priority, which is why they were open to trading their second round pick (23).

And yep, an updated cap list will be coming.

Cheers Os!  8)

[My Chumps]

You're mental. How can you be sure somebody will learn to break the tag?

The same way you can be sure a player will get over a chronic back injury I suppose.

Ha, what a cheap shot, and way to overlook every other arguement I've made.

I'm not saying he has to get over it. Both are pre-meditated risks that we're willing to take.

[Nails]

Gaff is worth MORE than Hawkins.

5 points greater average, still young and will learn to break the tag.

Hawkins 25yo spud, averages 5 less. Only had 1 season above 79.

Gaff 21yo gun, averages 5 more. Has just as many seasons above 79 as Hawkins. Despite playing half the time.

You're mental. How can you be sure somebody will learn to break the tag? A similar player in Stephen Hill hasn't, and he's averaging 80ish because of it. Very similar cases if you ask me.
Hawkins averaged over 100 in the second half of 2012 (when you don't count his sub affected 16) AS A MOTHERFLEEPING FORWARD.

*I should really be doing school work right now.

Stephen Hill is only 23... your point loses relevance when we're talking about young players breaking tags.

Also Gaff is 4 years younger. That's HUGE, you have a player that'll play for a club 4 years more than what Hawkins will. Possibly 6-7 years more if Hawkins retires due to back issues in a few years.

Also you can't go on forever about "hawkins was sooo good in 2012 blah blah blah blah"

He has only EVER had ONE season above an 80 average. He's like Beau Muston, a spud who had a few good games one season.



Let's compare the pair:

Hawkins' last 3 season's averages: 66.6, 94.8, 69.6
Gaff's last 3 season's averages:     71,    90.4, 61 (his debut season)

Hawkins has only EVER had 1 good season. 1 good season out of 7 against Gaff 1 good season out of 3.

Also Hawkins has NEVER played 22 games in a season. Other than Gaff's debut season he has always played 22 games.

[Nige]

So our cap went down to 24,619 with the outs. :o Almost a 10,000 point reduction...

However, the ins for the team brought it back up 29,663.

That's if my mathematics is correct (did use a calculator, gonna be very embarrassing if I've stuffed up).

If I'm right, that's a 4,029 point reduction.  ;D

[Nails]

 Where's the updated cap? Doesn't look updated to me

[Nige]

Where's the updated cap? Doesn't look updated to me

It's not, I did the maths myself.

[ossie85]

Where's the updated cap? Doesn't look updated to me

Hopefully in the next couple of days