WXV Trade Thread

[Jay]

Smith will still take points off Nicholls sharing ruck duties etc

2 rucks can score well, see: Cox + Nic Nat, Ryder + Bellchambers, Pyke + Mumford.

[kilbluff1985]

And you have to worry one will be subbed off if they are having a quiet game

[JBs-Hawks]

And you have to worry one will be subbed off if they are having a quiet game

Why are you trying to back up Nigey lol?

[Nige]

I fail to see how Tom Nicholls is worth Pick 5 or better. Somebody, enlighten me please.

Tom Nicholls is a 21 year old ruck in an improving team. In 2013 averaged 92ppg, which happened to be just his 2nd season! If you take out the game vs Carlton where he was injury affected (iirc) he averaged 100... Rucks that average 100 don't just grow on trees mate especially one this young. Whereas pick 5 is likely to be a mid and much more easy to acquire. Everyone is worried about Zac Smith returning affecting Nicholls, but Zac Smith isn't as good as him anyway so I can't see how he'll affect him. We would love to keep Nicholls but we feel him, Leuey, Longer and Witts would be too much so 1 needs to go! Longer stays because we have Leuey and everyone knows that having a team's no.1 ruck and their backup ruck = a good strategy. Witts I feel has a good career ahead of him and will start to see regular games in 2014 now Jolly is gone. Between Witts and Longer, we should have serviceable backup for Leuenberger. Nicholls would be unnecessary to have on the list, so why not trade him to help our other positions that need more work? Makes perfect sense to me!

Hope this opened your eyes a bit :)

Three questions if I may...

1. How is Zac Smith not as good as Tom Nicholls, if not better?
2. If you rate Nicholls so highly and see him as a 100ppg ruck, why would not keep him over Longer who looks likely be traded home to Victoria?
3. Can you be certain that Nicholls will continue to average 90ppg from here on out, coming back from a knee injury and in a team with Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon, with Daniel Gorringe also waiting in the wings?

[JBs-Hawks]

I fail to see how Tom Nicholls is worth Pick 5 or better. Somebody, enlighten me please.

Tom Nicholls is a 21 year old ruck in an improving team. In 2013 averaged 92ppg, which happened to be just his 2nd season! If you take out the game vs Carlton where he was injury affected (iirc) he averaged 100... Rucks that average 100 don't just grow on trees mate especially one this young. Whereas pick 5 is likely to be a mid and much more easy to acquire. Everyone is worried about Zac Smith returning affecting Nicholls, but Zac Smith isn't as good as him anyway so I can't see how he'll affect him. We would love to keep Nicholls but we feel him, Leuey, Longer and Witts would be too much so 1 needs to go! Longer stays because we have Leuey and everyone knows that having a team's no.1 ruck and their backup ruck = a good strategy. Witts I feel has a good career ahead of him and will start to see regular games in 2014 now Jolly is gone. Between Witts and Longer, we should have serviceable backup for Leuenberger. Nicholls would be unnecessary to have on the list, so why not trade him to help our other positions that need more work? Makes perfect sense to me!

Hope this opened your eyes a bit :)

Three questions if I may...

1. How is Zac Smith not as good as Tom Nicholls, if not better?
2. If you rate Nicholls so highly and see him as a 100ppg ruck, why would not keep him over Longer who looks likely be traded home to Victoria?
3. Can you be certain that Nicholls will continue to average 90ppg from here on out, coming back from a knee injury and in a team with Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon, with Daniel Gorringe also waiting in the wings?

Can you be certain that pick 5 will be a gun and not a Richard Tambling or Beau Muston?

[Nige]

I fail to see how Tom Nicholls is worth Pick 5 or better. Somebody, enlighten me please.

Tom Nicholls is a 21 year old ruck in an improving team. In 2013 averaged 92ppg, which happened to be just his 2nd season! If you take out the game vs Carlton where he was injury affected (iirc) he averaged 100... Rucks that average 100 don't just grow on trees mate especially one this young. Whereas pick 5 is likely to be a mid and much more easy to acquire. Everyone is worried about Zac Smith returning affecting Nicholls, but Zac Smith isn't as good as him anyway so I can't see how he'll affect him. We would love to keep Nicholls but we feel him, Leuey, Longer and Witts would be too much so 1 needs to go! Longer stays because we have Leuey and everyone knows that having a team's no.1 ruck and their backup ruck = a good strategy. Witts I feel has a good career ahead of him and will start to see regular games in 2014 now Jolly is gone. Between Witts and Longer, we should have serviceable backup for Leuenberger. Nicholls would be unnecessary to have on the list, so why not trade him to help our other positions that need more work? Makes perfect sense to me!

Hope this opened your eyes a bit :)

Three questions if I may...

1. How is Zac Smith not as good as Tom Nicholls, if not better?
2. If you rate Nicholls so highly and see him as a 100ppg ruck, why would not keep him over Longer who looks likely be traded home to Victoria?
3. Can you be certain that Nicholls will continue to average 90ppg from here on out, coming back from a knee injury and in a team with Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon, with Daniel Gorringe also waiting in the wings?

Can you be certain that pick 5 will be a gun and not a Richard Tambling or Beau Muston?

There is no guarantee. Just like there's no guarantee that Nicholls will continue to score like he did in the absence of Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon when they're actually in team.

I don't even get why this debate is still continuing to be honest. The trade was never going to pass regardless of whether Nicholls is/was worth Pick 5 or not because Pacific was giving too much away.

[Jay]

Very good point JBs! Nigey, you act like pick 5 is a sure thing to be a gun...



1. Well I don't think Nicholls could have done any more last season to keep his spot, he was extraordinary in the games he played and the stats show that. Will be up to Smith to earn his no.1 spot back now, I think! Who's to say that Nicholls goes out as soon as Smith is fit? Who knows how he'll return after his injury. I'd back Nicholls to hold the no.1 spot...

2. Btw I don't "see him as a 100ppg ruck", well I do but that isn't the point. That was his sub-free average from last season, true it was only 8 games but still have to give him credit for his work. Longer hasn't left for Victoria yet so I'm not going to presume he will just yet. Will be heaps good for us if he stays at Brisbane but even if he does go home I have no doubt he will become a very good player, c4 didn't trade for him for no reason... But would rather trade Nicholls as his trade value is obviously much higher but is not really needed as would just be no.2 to Leuey. As I've already said, Witts/Longer should be ample backup.

3. Of course I can not be certain he will, would be lying if I said I was but I'm not gonna say he won't either! Heck, he could turn into a consistent 100ppg ruck next season or yeah he could drop as others get more game time. Not worried about Dixon, he is just a pinch-hitter and Gorringe isn't quite there yet. Smith is a good player but he isn't just gonna walk straight in and boot Nicholls out... Look on the other side of it mate, the competition for his spot could drive him to push harder? Ya never know, but surely you aren't doubting his talent or his potential to be a 90-100ppg ruck?

[JBs-Hawks]

I fail to see how Tom Nicholls is worth Pick 5 or better. Somebody, enlighten me please.

Tom Nicholls is a 21 year old ruck in an improving team. In 2013 averaged 92ppg, which happened to be just his 2nd season! If you take out the game vs Carlton where he was injury affected (iirc) he averaged 100... Rucks that average 100 don't just grow on trees mate especially one this young. Whereas pick 5 is likely to be a mid and much more easy to acquire. Everyone is worried about Zac Smith returning affecting Nicholls, but Zac Smith isn't as good as him anyway so I can't see how he'll affect him. We would love to keep Nicholls but we feel him, Leuey, Longer and Witts would be too much so 1 needs to go! Longer stays because we have Leuey and everyone knows that having a team's no.1 ruck and their backup ruck = a good strategy. Witts I feel has a good career ahead of him and will start to see regular games in 2014 now Jolly is gone. Between Witts and Longer, we should have serviceable backup for Leuenberger. Nicholls would be unnecessary to have on the list, so why not trade him to help our other positions that need more work? Makes perfect sense to me!

Hope this opened your eyes a bit :)

Three questions if I may...

1. How is Zac Smith not as good as Tom Nicholls, if not better?
2. If you rate Nicholls so highly and see him as a 100ppg ruck, why would not keep him over Longer who looks likely be traded home to Victoria?
3. Can you be certain that Nicholls will continue to average 90ppg from here on out, coming back from a knee injury and in a team with Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon, with Daniel Gorringe also waiting in the wings?

Can you be certain that pick 5 will be a gun and not a Richard Tambling or Beau Muston?

There is no guarantee. Just like there's no guarantee that Nicholls will continue to score like he did in the absence of Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon when they're actually in team.

I don't even get why this debate is still continuing to be honest. The trade was never going to pass regardless of whether Nicholls is/was worth Pick 5 or not because Pacific was giving too much away.

Now Pacific is giving too much away? I thought Tokyo was?

[CrowsFan]

I fail to see how Tom Nicholls is worth Pick 5 or better. Somebody, enlighten me please.

Tom Nicholls is a 21 year old ruck in an improving team. In 2013 averaged 92ppg, which happened to be just his 2nd season! If you take out the game vs Carlton where he was injury affected (iirc) he averaged 100... Rucks that average 100 don't just grow on trees mate especially one this young. Whereas pick 5 is likely to be a mid and much more easy to acquire. Everyone is worried about Zac Smith returning affecting Nicholls, but Zac Smith isn't as good as him anyway so I can't see how he'll affect him. We would love to keep Nicholls but we feel him, Leuey, Longer and Witts would be too much so 1 needs to go! Longer stays because we have Leuey and everyone knows that having a team's no.1 ruck and their backup ruck = a good strategy. Witts I feel has a good career ahead of him and will start to see regular games in 2014 now Jolly is gone. Between Witts and Longer, we should have serviceable backup for Leuenberger. Nicholls would be unnecessary to have on the list, so why not trade him to help our other positions that need more work? Makes perfect sense to me!

Hope this opened your eyes a bit :)

Three questions if I may...

1. How is Zac Smith not as good as Tom Nicholls, if not better?
2. If you rate Nicholls so highly and see him as a 100ppg ruck, why would not keep him over Longer who looks likely be traded home to Victoria?
3. Can you be certain that Nicholls will continue to average 90ppg from here on out, coming back from a knee injury and in a team with Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon, with Daniel Gorringe also waiting in the wings?

Can you be certain that pick 5 will be a gun and not a Richard Tambling or Beau Muston?

There is no guarantee. Just like there's no guarantee that Nicholls will continue to score like he did in the absence of Zac Smith and Charlie Dixon when they're actually in team.

I don't even get why this debate is still continuing to be honest. The trade was never going to pass regardless of whether Nicholls is/was worth Pick 5 or not because Pacific was giving too much away.

Now Pacific is giving too much away? I thought Tokyo was?

You gave away too many points, so even if all the coaches accepted it, it still would have been rejected since you would have fallen bellow the minimum cap. That's what he was saying.

[kilbluff1985]

This what I want to know who is giving to much away?

Regarding picks unknown didn't pick 3 get traded for Fyfe last season in one if the comps? I can't remember which one

And why is Holz Hogan trade seen to be greatly different then trading for a pick? Any gun taken with pick 5 will be as highly rated as Hogan but who knows how they will go at AFL level

[Jay]

Yeah I flowered the trade up, did not realise how close we were to being below the cap. Look for a couple of trades coming up though that will really push us over the cap and give us a bit more flexibility for the future :)

[Nails]

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[Jay]

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Don't get me started on that  :-X gives me the showers haha.

[ossie85]

Lists and caps updated here:

http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,86547.msg1194393.html#msg1194393

[tbagrocks]

Yeah I flowered the trade up, did not realise how close we were to being below the cap. Look for a couple of trades coming up though that will really push us over the cap and give us a bit more flexibility for the future :)

I did and I told you :P