what went wrong???

[silloc]

Just want peoples opinions on last Friday, see if it was any different

[Hawka]

Just want peoples opinions on last Friday, see if it was any different

Ok Im a hawks fan and i dont wanna sound bias or say what im saying cause i hate essendon
But the simple fact is your not ready yet, in another 12 months yea you probably will bve a premiership contender, but even if you finish top 4 cant see you winning it

[AFEV]

Just want peoples opinions on last Friday, see if it was any different

Ok Im a hawks fan and i dont wanna sound bias or say what im saying cause i hate essendon
But the simple fact is your not ready yet, in another 12 months yea you probably will bve a premiership contender, but even if you finish top 4 cant see you winning it

We'll probably end up playing you at the MCG in a qualifying final (or, I hope) so we'll get another look at it with Jobe back and on our preferred ground.
I do tend to agree though.

Sydney - Geelong - Hawthorn - They're a step ahead of everyone.

[kilbluff1985]

yeah i was surprised Essendon supporters thought we had a chance without Jobe i predicted a at least a 5 goal loss

even though we were in the top 4 we can really match it with then yet especially without Jobe we struggled without him ib every game he not played even though we beat GWS and Bulldogs they were not convincing wins

not only that but Hawthorn played one of there best games of the year doesnt help

[silloc]

Just want peoples opinions on last Friday, see if it was any different

Ok Im a hawks fan and i dont wanna sound bias or say what im saying cause i hate essendon
But the simple fact is your not ready yet, in another 12 months yea you probably will bve a premiership contender, but even if you finish top 4 cant see you winning it

We'll probably end up playing you at the MCG in a qualifying final (or, I hope) so we'll get another look at it with Jobe back and on our preferred ground.
I do tend to agree though.

Sydney - Geelong - Hawthorn - They're a step ahead of everyone.

in all honesty, I know hawthorn are a better side ultimately, but I wouldn't consider Sydney and Geelong to be superior on the level hawthorn are.

Geelong - we beat them statistically in every aspect apart from where it counted. Late in the 3rd qtr it was 11.9 -> 7.18.

Sydney - Away plus very wet day, not our strong suit and more suited to Sydney's game/experience. Possibly went in too tall for the KNOWN wet conditions, 2 ruckmen and a forward like gumbo (who was subbed early cos they realised how stupid it was). And when after we lost Dempsey early in the third we were rotating a 2 man bench (we were only 18 points down then).

Hawks - .... raped, could barley get it out of the back half.

Btw these aren't excuses, i'm just saying point is I can see what went wrong or what we could change in the geelong + sydney games. hawthorn I just looked through the game/stats and concluded with a sound solution of alcoholism

[Nige]

Yeah, I never really expected Essendon to have much of a chance. I thought it would be a good game, but that the Hawks would do it easy. It appears that Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and Freo are the best 4 teams in the competition. I think Essendon will have a much better chance to challenge the Hawks if they do play them again with Jobe like Ax said.

[silloc]

Yeah, I never really expected Essendon to have much of a chance. I thought it would be a good game, but that the Hawks would do it easy. It appears that Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and Freo are the best 4 teams in the competition. I think Essendon will have a much better chance to challenge the Hawks if they do play them again with Jobe like Ax said.

I've never liked the "we were missing" argument, it's right behind blaming the umpires for a loss. Look at Geelong's team in the last 7 years, they have such a well oiled side that in the end it didn't matter who was missing. Which is one of the reasons they can still do it, when on paper they shouldn't be able to compete.

Arguably though it isn't jobe, but the role he plays. Melksham and myers did well to win the ball in tight spaces, but their dishing out abilities aren't at that level. If it were me I would have swapped the roles with Myers and Goddard, having Goddard directly replace Watson in the packs and let myers float around the outside. When myers unleashes that left foot it makes me wet.

p.s. this doesn't include heppel, he has the same output/role with or without jobe

[Nige]

I agree. It's not so much the man himself but the role he plays. It did seem kinda clear that they missed him as such.

[Mailman the 2nd]

Geelong and Sydney don't need to be at the same level as the Hawks, they just need to be able to beat them when it matters (which unfortunately for the hawks in the past 5 years has been every time)

As for Essendon's problems, apart from relying on Watson, Carlisle is only one man and that showed against the Hawks Franklin and Roughead combo and no doubt will also be shown against the Hawkins + Pod or Tippett + White duos.

You guys are also playing several younger guys who are in reality a step behind the top tier competition.

[silloc]

Geelong and Sydney don't need to be at the same level as the Hawks, they just need to be able to beat them when it matters (which unfortunately for the hawks in the past 5 years has been every time)

As for Essendon's problems, apart from relying on Watson, Carlisle is only one man and that showed against the Hawks Franklin and Roughead combo and no doubt will also be shown against the Hawkins + Pod or Tippett + White duos.

You guys are also playing several younger guys who are in reality a step behind the top tier competition.

Think you'll find carlisle played his worst game of the season, hooker and pears were much better.

[Mailman the 2nd]

Geelong and Sydney don't need to be at the same level as the Hawks, they just need to be able to beat them when it matters (which unfortunately for the hawks in the past 5 years has been every time)

As for Essendon's problems, apart from relying on Watson, Carlisle is only one man and that showed against the Hawks Franklin and Roughead combo and no doubt will also be shown against the Hawkins + Pod or Tippett + White duos.

You guys are also playing several younger guys who are in reality a step behind the top tier competition.

Think you'll find carlisle played his worst game of the season, hooker and pears were much better.

From watching the game Carlisle lost Franklin a few times but was given close to no support at all from his backmen.

Several times I saw Hooker and Pears simply getting in carlisle's way and making it harder for him to defend.

Franklin is a beast and I don't think there's any defender who can handle him solo consistently at the moment, that's what differentiates the great teams defensive units and the good teams.

[kilbluff1985]

I hate how defenders only get blamed for forwards kicking a bag when our whole team plays crap much easier for forwards to kick a bag

Defense is played all over the ground not just in the back half