Herald Sun reporting Essendon players could avoid sanctions

[Grazz]

Not looking so flash after the latest revelations.... I rekon Saad would be spewing if he gets two years and essendon players get off....

Just getting worse and worse for the AFL... I'm completely disenfranchised with the sport right now. Tanking, Salary Cap, Three Strikes and all this doping....

Im with you, have lost a lot of faith and enjoyment in the game over the last few years. Then me own team (Crows) cheat now the Bombers saga. Just seem to of gone from one disaster to another past few years.

[valkorum]

I think the HSun is not reporting this correctly.  The players are not being charged by the AFL.... ASADA/WADA could still charge the players - which they forget to report.

[DazBurg]

really getting over it
they now just using essendon as a scapegoat for all the clubs
im a bombers supporter and i'm not saying we completely innocent i'm saying there are other clubs that have done things that would be considered pushing the boundaries anyone who doubts that would be considered mission accomplished by the AFL

just to prove what i'm getting at after reading the age articles and seeing a link posted by someone

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hawks-set-the-pace-in-injection-science-20120924-26hhg.html
^ that link i simple happened to type Orthokine therapy into google and besides that link as the 3rd to come up also the 7th ones was

http://asada.govspace.gov.au/2012/09/25/clarification-orthokine/

my point being and not trying to deflect it from essendon or put the blame on someone else in fact i think that is what is happening to essendon atm
letting the bombers take the fall while Andy D and Co. quietly tell the other 17 clubs if you got anything remotely dodgy looking or ground breaking or boundary pushing cut it the F out now so as we can simply slap 1 club say we isolated the problem......all finished nothing to se here and see the AFL isn't over run with dodgyiness it was simply 1 club trying to take shortcuts and we all condemn them for it....blah blah blah

imo the weapon even said Hird reckoned other clubs were doing it
(btw i am not accusing other clubs of performance enhancing i know weapon said hird said they were using growth hormone's i'm no implying that i simply mean other clubs were most likely do what is classed as cutting edge or pushing the boundaries too )

which in the end like i said i am not deflecting from essendon....if proven to do wrong then yes cop it

just simply stating that i think the fact they going after every single senior employee shows they trying to put all blame on them and act as if it's a 1 off type thing and no one else has ever done something like this before etc....


and before everyone still accuses me of being a simply upset bombers supporter if you wanna still play the essendon blame card and say everyone else is innocent

i quote from that article up there

"But the player who encouraged Marks that the treatment could revolutionise AFL football came from Essendon. That player, whom the doctor would not name due to practitioner-patient confidentiality, enjoyed such success using Orthokine that he returned from a soft-tissue injury that was originally expected to sideline him for eight to 10 weeks after only five weeks"

just saying essendon being done for bringing game into disrepute because saying we getting injections is a bad look for the game


well

This year alone Marks, who regularly assists Hawthorn on match days and practices at Olympic Park, has fast-tracked the recovery of about 20 AFL players struck by joint and soft-tissue afflictions by injecting them with their own blood.

point being Andy D would be ringing up all clubs and saying hey for now cut all this crap out
we want to appear that it was simply 1 club that went over the top and punish them rest of you can chill

well there is my conspiracy theory for the day
and to finish on a lighter note as my brother BP would put it in a far more amusing way



:P

^ what i posted in the breaking news topic but realized it probably better suited to this one since well this after the charges etc

[silloc]

wow, that's pretty much the exact same as Essendon situation, lol

[Grazz]

I think the HSun is not reporting this correctly.  The players are not being charged by the AFL.... ASADA/WADA could still charge the players - which they forget to report.

Agree valk.

[BratPack]

I think the HSun is not reporting this correctly.  The players are not being charged by the AFL.... ASADA/WADA could still charge the players - which they forget to report.

Exactly, the AFL have NO say when it comes to the doping violations. ASADA or WADA is. And the rules are clearly stated in Rule 11.1a of the Drug Code

) It is each Player's personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters
his body. Players are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its
Metabolites or Markers found to be present in their Sample. Accordingly, it is
not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing Use on the Player's part
be demonstrated in order to establish an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under
Clause 11.1.

The only way they can't be suspended is if they can show AOD wasn't used to enhance their performance, which they can't do

Conclusion: We're flowered

[Ziplock]

I think the HSun is not reporting this correctly.  The players are not being charged by the AFL.... ASADA/WADA could still charge the players - which they forget to report.

Exactly, the AFL have NO say when it comes to the doping violations. ASADA or WADA is. And the rules are clearly stated in Rule 11.1a of the Drug Code

) It is each Player's personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters
his body. Players are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its
Metabolites or Markers found to be present in their Sample. Accordingly, it is
not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing Use on the Player's part
be demonstrated in order to establish an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under
Clause 11.1.

The only way they can't be suspended is if they can show AOD wasn't used to enhance their performance, which they can't do

Conclusion: We're flowered

let's face it. AOD is an obesity drug that was administered to every player at the club, bar a handful who dont like injections.

You can't tell me that 40+ players in a professional AFL club needed an anti obesity drug to lose weight- they're flowering elite athletes, you'd be surprised to find a handful of them had weight troubles. Subsequently, I don't see why essendon would use it if it didn't enhance their performance.

[DazBurg]

I think the HSun is not reporting this correctly.  The players are not being charged by the AFL.... ASADA/WADA could still charge the players - which they forget to report.

Exactly, the AFL have NO say when it comes to the doping violations. ASADA or WADA is. And the rules are clearly stated in Rule 11.1a of the Drug Code

) It is each Player's personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters
his body. Players are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its
Metabolites or Markers found to be present in their Sample. Accordingly, it is
not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing Use on the Player's part
be demonstrated in order to establish an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under
Clause 11.1.

The only way they can't be suspended is if they can show AOD wasn't used to enhance their performance, which they can't do

Conclusion: We're flowered

let's face it. AOD is an obesity drug that was administered to every player at the club, bar a handful who dont like injections.

You can't tell me that 40+ players in a professional AFL club needed an anti obesity drug to lose weight- they're flowering elite athletes, you'd be surprised to find a handful of them had weight troubles. Subsequently, I don't see why essendon would use it if it didn't enhance their performance.

because under animal testing it was thought that it repaired cartilage and aided recovery
which could be construed as performance enhancing
but then again doesn't that make the links i posted all the more appropriate??

[Ziplock]

I think the HSun is not reporting this correctly.  The players are not being charged by the AFL.... ASADA/WADA could still charge the players - which they forget to report.

Exactly, the AFL have NO say when it comes to the doping violations. ASADA or WADA is. And the rules are clearly stated in Rule 11.1a of the Drug Code

) It is each Player's personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters
his body. Players are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its
Metabolites or Markers found to be present in their Sample. Accordingly, it is
not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing Use on the Player's part
be demonstrated in order to establish an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under
Clause 11.1.

The only way they can't be suspended is if they can show AOD wasn't used to enhance their performance, which they can't do

Conclusion: We're flowered

let's face it. AOD is an obesity drug that was administered to every player at the club, bar a handful who dont like injections.

You can't tell me that 40+ players in a professional AFL club needed an anti obesity drug to lose weight- they're flowering elite athletes, you'd be surprised to find a handful of them had weight troubles. Subsequently, I don't see why essendon would use it if it didn't enhance their performance.

because under animal testing it was thought that it repaired cartilage and aided recovery
which could be construed as performance enhancing
but then again doesn't that make the links i posted all the more appropriate??

don't steroids aid in recovery? like, they make your muscles repair faster so you can train more often and harder to gain bulk?

[DazBurg]

I think the HSun is not reporting this correctly.  The players are not being charged by the AFL.... ASADA/WADA could still charge the players - which they forget to report.

Exactly, the AFL have NO say when it comes to the doping violations. ASADA or WADA is. And the rules are clearly stated in Rule 11.1a of the Drug Code

) It is each Player's personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters
his body. Players are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its
Metabolites or Markers found to be present in their Sample. Accordingly, it is
not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing Use on the Player's part
be demonstrated in order to establish an Anti-Doping Rule Violation under
Clause 11.1.

The only way they can't be suspended is if they can show AOD wasn't used to enhance their performance, which they can't do

Conclusion: We're flowered

let's face it. AOD is an obesity drug that was administered to every player at the club, bar a handful who dont like injections.

You can't tell me that 40+ players in a professional AFL club needed an anti obesity drug to lose weight- they're flowering elite athletes, you'd be surprised to find a handful of them had weight troubles. Subsequently, I don't see why essendon would use it if it didn't enhance their performance.

because under animal testing it was thought that it repaired cartilage and aided recovery
which could be construed as performance enhancing
but then again doesn't that make the links i posted all the more appropriate??

don't steroids aid in recovery? like, they make your muscles repair faster so you can train more often and harder to gain bulk?

correct
but AOD hasn't been classified as that as it doesn't have the same properties as a steroid
as far as i know

[Ziplock]

well, you said it aids in recovery, and highlighted the guy with the 8 week hamstring injury coming back in 5?

so to me it sounds like similar properties?

I don't actually have an issue with a drug like that being administered to players with injuries like that, I think it should be strongly regulated and done by an independent third party if allowed, but I don't object to it.

but administering it to everyone on your list? that's super ethical.

[DazBurg]

well, you said it aids in recovery, and highlighted the guy with the 8 week hamstring injury coming back in 5?

so to me it sounds like similar properties?

I don't actually have an issue with a drug like that being administered to players with injuries like that, I think it should be strongly regulated and done by an independent third party if allowed, but I don't object to it.

but administering it to everyone on your list? that's super ethical.

no the link i posted was talk of hawthorn using it and nick riewoldt and 120 players in toal having down it


i was just showing that it pretty much is what AOD is accused of doing yet that was from september 24 2012
and the ASADA link was form the 25th saying that doing that is prohibited in sport
yet no case

so just saying that essendon not the only one doing things considered as pushing the boundaries yet will be made the scapegoat of it all

because it is better for the afl to say 1 team went to far
then to say the whole league is running rampant with it