Dream Team Vs Super Coach

[Vinny]

Sums it up nicely Holz ! Hopefully we something like this in the future.

[valkorum]

Option 6 - Which ever one I do better in each season

[Spinking]

DT for me. Agree that SC is a more accurate representation of whether a player has been effective, but I like that I can watch a game and see the DT points racking up.

All are fun though  ;)

[My Chumps]

So what game is better and why?

I'm a Dream Teamer myself, Supercoach Scoring makes no sense.

SC scoring system not that hard to figure out

more influence on the game a player has the higher they will score obviously getting possessions but how they use it to efficiency is very important

if it's a pretty close game last quater is the most important any game defining plays etc are scored highly winning goal can get a player 50 points etc

thats in theory there are too many cases where I watch players rack up SC points for nothing and others for getting robbed. the fact they need to scale for 3300 is a joke too.

why should a hawks v sydney clash get the same ammount of points as dogs v deemons. Its the reason why griffen has been killing it.

the best scoring system would be a combo of the 2.

so you get standardised points but you take into account effeicny.

so effective kick 4 points
ineffective kick 2 points etc....

Griffen is killing it because he's averaging 29 disposals and a goal a game.

Come on Holz, don't be silly. Just because a guy is in a bad team doesn't make him a bad player.

[Justin Bieber]

So what game is better and why?

I'm a Dream Teamer myself, Supercoach Scoring makes no sense.

SC scoring system not that hard to figure out

more influence on the game a player has the higher they will score obviously getting possessions but how they use it to efficiency is very important

if it's a pretty close game last quater is the most important any game defining plays etc are scored highly winning goal can get a player 50 points etc

thats in theory there are too many cases where I watch players rack up SC points for nothing and others for getting robbed. the fact they need to scale for 3300 is a joke too.

why should a hawks v sydney clash get the same ammount of points as dogs v deemons. Its the reason why griffen has been killing it.

the best scoring system would be a combo of the 2.

so you get standardised points but you take into account effeicny.

so effective kick 4 points
ineffective kick 2 points etc....

Griffen is killing it because he's averaging 29 disposals and a goal a game.

Come on Holz, don't be silly. Just because a guy is in a bad team doesn't make him a bad player.

Yeah I agree. Poor call Holz. If Griffen played for a top side then he would get more points cause they win and scaling will go in favour heaps.

[Vinny]

Yeah it's hard to deny Griffen is a machine. Regardless of the club ! Minus injury - SC average of 135 which Ablett's too.

If he played all games this year he is more than capable of taking out the brownlow !

[LF]

I like them all for different reasons but I also find some of the differences annoying like the salary cap at the start of the year in sportal compared to prices of the players it made it very hard to get a decent starting team.

The best one atm for me is stadium sport that rewards efficiency and penalises inefficiency so if you kick it out on the full you get minus points no points for the kick at all like in DT.
They also have MPP players on there that DT etc don't have ones that we think should be MPP players.
So it means you have to think outside the normal fantasy players when picking teams players like Glass who is not traditionally a good fantasy pickup is one you can actually consider.

[Holz]

So what game is better and why?

I'm a Dream Teamer myself, Supercoach Scoring makes no sense.

SC scoring system not that hard to figure out

more influence on the game a player has the higher they will score obviously getting possessions but how they use it to efficiency is very important

if it's a pretty close game last quater is the most important any game defining plays etc are scored highly winning goal can get a player 50 points etc

thats in theory there are too many cases where I watch players rack up SC points for nothing and others for getting robbed. the fact they need to scale for 3300 is a joke too.

why should a hawks v sydney clash get the same ammount of points as dogs v deemons. Its the reason why griffen has been killing it.

the best scoring system would be a combo of the 2.

so you get standardised points but you take into account effeicny.

so effective kick 4 points
ineffective kick 2 points etc....

Griffen is killing it because he's averaging 29 disposals and a goal a game.

Come on Holz, don't be silly. Just because a guy is in a bad team doesn't make him a bad player.

I never said he is a bad player. Griffen is averaing 135 without the sub game, that puts him just behind ablett as the easily the second best SCer in the comp.

While griffen is having a good season I dont think he is having that good a season that he should be that high. He is not a bad player by any stretch but I dont think he should be anywhere near ablett.

you know who else is having a good season.

Michael Barlow: absolutely killing it and his team is doing really good. issue is he has too many people stealing points from him.
115 is a big SC score and its what griffen shoudl be averaging too.

[Ziplock]

that's a reasonable point

I dislike the lack of transparency in the SC scoring system. In my point of view that opens it to subjectivity and potential corruption.

Both comps are flawed in their scoring though.

[LF]

This is Stadium sports scoring system and I personally think its the best scoring system of all comps

STAT   STADIUM POINTS
Effective Kick   6
Ineffective Kick   -1
Clanger Kick   -8
Effective Handball   2
Ineffective Handball   -1
Handball Clanger   -4
Handball receive   1
Hardball Get   5.5
Loose-Ball get   1
Goal   10
Behind   1
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession)   1
Mark contested (maintaining possession)   8
Mark uncontested (from opposition)   10
Mark contested (from opposition)   20
Tackles   3.5
Free kick for   2
Free kick against   -4
Hitout to advantage   4


Outside 50 Goal   20
Running bounce   2
Shephard   2
Smother   5
Goal Assist   5
Marks inside 50   3

[Vinny]

This is Stadium sports scoring system and I personally think its the best scoring system of all comps

STAT   STADIUM POINTS
Effective Kick   6
Ineffective Kick   -1
Clanger Kick   -8
Effective Handball   2
Ineffective Handball   -1
Handball Clanger   -4
Handball receive   1
Hardball Get   5.5
Loose-Ball get   1
Goal   10
Behind   1
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession)   1
Mark contested (maintaining possession)   8
Mark uncontested (from opposition)   10
Mark contested (from opposition)   20
Tackles   3.5
Free kick for   2
Free kick against   -4
Hitout to advantage   4


Outside 50 Goal   20
Running bounce   2
Shephard   2
Smother   5
Goal Assist   5
Marks inside 50   3

I really like this ! It seems fair and consistent. Would love if SC scored like this :)

[Holz]

looks interesting luv.

issue for me is the difference between effective and ineffective disposals.

you kick to a 2 on 1 and your team mate marks it you get an effective kick. If an opponent makrs it you get an inefective kick.

If you get a hospital pass and dispose of it quickly you will get an ineffective disposal most likely or perhaps even a clanger.

Not sure about the big differeintal 4 for effective and 2 for inefecitve seems better for me.

I dont mind DTs simplicity as stats often can lie even if you talk about innefecitve.

here is a perfect example: when I play football I get alot of uncosted marks as I run off my opponents into space and they cant catch me. Whereas on defence I man up on them and if they mark it its always a contested mark.

thats why DT is great you get the points without this gray area.

[LF]

 Gary Ablett   Midfielder   157   2190.5   168.5   180.5   186.4
Scott Pendlebury   Midfielder   128   2125   163.46   155.17   155.4
Jimmy Bartel   Midfielder   171.5   2053   157.92   157.67   163.4
Jobe Watson   Midfielder   136   1902   146.31   133.67   136.1
Patrick Dangerfield   Midfielder   173.5   1892.5   145.58   152.33   149
Jarryd Roughead   Forward   166.5   1837   141.31   163   158.7
Michael Hibberd   Defender   107   1823   140.23   130   145.7
Kane Cornes   Midfielder   144   1811   139.31   127.83   122.1
Richard Douglas   Midfielder   108.5   1808   139.08   120.83   137.7
Brendon Goddard   Defender   107   1804.5   138.81   142.5   135.9

These are the top 10 players overall for stadium sport it's a bit different to the top 10 in the other comps

[PowerBug]

I voted Sportal to be different. Because as mentioned above, it's somewhere between DT and SC. :D

[Master Q]

Play DT and SC this year (UF as well but that is DT scoring system) and I think DT is much better. The SC scoring system may 'sound' better in theory but in reality it is terrible IMO. Points for kicking a goal on the siren etc is stupid.

Going to play them all next year - DT, SC, UF as well as Sportal, Sportsbet, Stadium Sports and Centre Bets (which ones have the same scoring systems?).