Is Cox a FWD keeper?

[nrich102]

Ill be keeping him. I currently have Roughy, Nic Nat and Cox with dpp though!

[disco1992]

Ill be keeping him. I currently have Roughy, Nic Nat and Cox with dpp though!

Same here happy for one of them to be sitting at f6 over zorko or buddy

[tbagrocks]

I'll take that bet, NicNat will ave more than Cloke and Hoff, also Buddy

Has stepped it up again, fool to think he hasn't!

I wasn't betting... I stated "I wouldn't be surprised if Westhoff averaged more than him" and it was implied with my use of the word "should" instead of "will" in my statement about Cloke, It's just my subjective opinion and it should be read as a subjective opinion by the words I chose to express it with.. But I think they should all average high 80's and depending on the Hoff and Cloke's potential performances could average low 90's (Cloke is more likely out of the two) if they can manage to pump out the occasional big scores. As for the remainder of this season though I can't really pick one, I think it will be close between the three but my point is Nic Nat is no where near as good an option as other forwards such as Bartel, Rockliff (for those that don't have him), Nroo et al. 

I never said anything about Buddy, I think he is a piece of sh*t tbh, I wish I didn't bring him in last week :(

and I said I bet NicNat will out score them all! Those with him this week are happy ;) 52 and it's not nearly H/T yet :o

[powersuperkents]

I'll take that bet, NicNat will ave more than Cloke and Hoff, also Buddy

Has stepped it up again, fool to think he hasn't!

I wasn't betting... I stated "I wouldn't be surprised if Westhoff averaged more than him" and it was implied with my use of the word "should" instead of "will" in my statement about Cloke, It's just my subjective opinion and it should be read as a subjective opinion by the words I chose to express it with.. But I think they should all average high 80's and depending on the Hoff and Cloke's potential performances could average low 90's (Cloke is more likely out of the two) if they can manage to pump out the occasional big scores. As for the remainder of this season though I can't really pick one, I think it will be close between the three but my point is Nic Nat is no where near as good an option as other forwards such as Bartel, Rockliff (for those that don't have him), Nroo et al. 

I never said anything about Buddy, I think he is a piece of sh*t tbh, I wish I didn't bring him in last week :(

and I said I bet NicNat will out score them all! Those with him this week are happy ;) 52 and it's not nearly H/T yet :o

That's based on one round against the Saints... I never said he was bad I think he's a great player and I respect your opinion but when I was stating Cloke and Westhoff might outscore Nic Nat I wasn't going off on a tangent. I was empathising how unlikely it would be for Nic Nat to finish as a top 6-8 forward because that is the topic of discussion. The fact (based off every single season (besides when Sandilands was around) that no ruck besides Cox will average as high as the top 6 and most likely 10 forwards.. That includes Nic Nat, he is a great player and has potential but I wouldn't book him as a top 6 forward and unless he really surprises everyone he won't finish as a top 8 forward. Also the fact that you still couldn't interpret what I said in the last comment has now left me questioning the point of this conversation. Yes you said "I bet NicNat will out score them all!" but there wasn't a wager placed to begin with... The topic is "Is Cox a FWD Keeper?" we've established he would make a good forward but numerically your better off keeping him in the rucks (as he is the highest scoring ruck) and getting a forward who will outscore any other ruck in the comp..

[tbagrocks]

Sure yeah, but, I still believe a Cox/Nic combo as R/F is viable in DreamTeam

NicNat has proven since his comeback that he is up to scoring tons regularly, leave him out sure, but i'm not, I think he ius a top 8 forward as is probably Cox, besides, having one forward means you get the next guy in ruck, who is that well, that's up to form and interpretation! Maybe Goldy, McEvoy, Maric who knows, but if the WC due keep the tons up, you get an extra ruck of your choice

I see what you are saying, but I disagree, Cox and Nat can both be your F/R ling while scoring premo, that's my opinion

[powersuperkents]

Sure yeah, but, I still believe a Cox/Nic combo as R/F is viable in DreamTeam

NicNat has proven since his comeback that he is up to scoring tons regularly, leave him out sure, but i'm not, I think he ius a top 8 forward as is probably Cox, besides, having one forward means you get the next guy in ruck, who is that well, that's up to form and interpretation! Maybe Goldy, McEvoy, Maric who knows, but if the WC due keep the tons up, you get an extra ruck of your choice

I see what you are saying, but I disagree, Cox and Nat can both be your F/R ling while scoring premo, that's my opinion

Yeah I still believe it is viable and the dpp is great providing a lot of support :) I still think Nic Nat is a great player but I'm most likely going to wait until next year. It looks like his consistency has improved but he seems to score 80's every second to third week and when the eagles lose he doesn't seems to do that well. I was interested with him after his 80 for when his price dropped and was set to do what you had stated. There was only three reasons I didn't: 1) I had more drastic trades to attend to and I didn't think his price had dropped enough to really be called a bargain (if it had dropped to sub $375k he would be in my team right now) 2) Looking at his scores he is very different this season, the lowest he'll go is 80 but he doesn't look like he is going to go 110+ so far, last season his lows were horrible but he racked up massive scores which he has failed to do so far this season (I already have a consistent pain in my neck in the forwards called Stokes and although he is secure I never get those 120+ games which causes your total score to go past the 2200's  :-\ ) 3) The byes, I wanted to get a ruck for the byes (I have Cox, McEvoy, Blicavs & Currie (Rowe dpp but doesn't play so dumped him for Bennedy (all r12 bye) and Nic Nat couldn't help me for it. Beside those three factors the main reason was basically because I wanted either Bartel or Nroo (most likely Nroo) he is a great player and hopefully will continue to improve throughout his career with the Eagles but in the end I just thought there were way better options for me to pick up. Honestly if I had to choose an R2 it would be Minson > Goldy > Nic Nat. He's good but still doesn't seem to be the best yet at either position. He will no doubt be a top ruck come seasons end but being a top forward is a much harder feat and so far he has displayed nothing in the past that indicates he will achieve something like that this season. I think he's great but I'd rather pursue the more proven options still will be a lock in later seasons and if he can really surprise me this year he'll be a definite lock next year :) Still a great player but I wouldn't go as far to say he is the a 'best' player or a top forward 

[tbagrocks]

Happy with both, my problem now is who to make R2, currently got Zac Clarke :P

Or maybe move Cox back ruck and pick a Forward, not sure yet!

[disco1992]

I have nic nat/ cox and roughie! Surely people would prefer to play these 3 over buddy/ zorko/ JJK??

[powersuperkents]

I have nic nat/ cox and roughie! Surely people would prefer to play these 3 over buddy/ zorko/ JJK??

Why are people assuming those 3 are the ones in question?? Zorko and Buddy suck and JJK was a great value pick but we are talking about top tier forwards to pick for the 6th spot. We are talking about Stevie J, Nroo, Bartel, Dusty, Rocky, Boomer Harvey, Stokes, Cyril (if he didn't get injured), Cloke and Jordan Lewis. Hell even Westhoff is a higher scorer than Cox so far this season and therefore has scored/averaged more than any ruck in the comp so far. I'm not saying pick Westhoff I'm just empathising the fact that statistically, numerically & logically (unless you are planning on utilising the dpp to your advantage (I still don't think it's better and is only really an advantage during the byes) it is more efficient to pick a top tier forward.. Roughead is a forward in his own right in my opinion but it is better to have Cox in the rucks with a strong r2 and 6 strong premium forwards and that is fact you can't argue with the numbers. It is still viable to have three rucks and good but it realistically isn't the best option there is.. I've had a look at Nic Nat though and he is an excellent r2. He should have a 93 average by the end of the week if you exclude his sub affect game so assuming you had him and Cox in the rucks and Roughead in the forwards that is a really good line up but in the end it is not as good as say Cox & Nic Nat in the rucks and Bartel/Nroo/Dusty etc in the forwards that is fact (it is the reason they cost more, average more & have scored more).

I respect your opinion and you are right but I'm providing my opinion in regards to the best advice possible for pommyadams. He can play Cox in F6 and I've previously said it is viable but I'm not going to disregard the better option based on personal preference :) I'm just providing him with the best option possible according to stats and numerically that is keeping Cox in the rucks.

and as you said I agree that having either Nic nat, Cox or Roughie in the forwards is much better than Buddy, Zorko or JJK. But I don't think it is right to say Roughie is better than JJK.. JJK is currently averaging slightly more and Roughie only beats him on terms of ceiling and price tag. But if I had to buy one it would be Roughie because I think there is no point anyone should buy JJK at $400k when they could have got him at $279k (I unfortunately missed him) but also no one picked JJK as a keeper as well so those who did might as well trade him for as much points per game as possible   

[Ricochet]

I have nic nat/ cox and roughie! Surely people would prefer to play these 3 over buddy/ zorko/ JJK??

maybe, but not over

Stevie J, Nroo, Bartel, Dusty, Rocky, Boomer Harvey, Stokes, Cyril (if he didn't get injured), Cloke and Jordan Lewis.

[Holz]

Forward Keeper: no
Ruck Keeper: yes

I don't understand that. Ruck keeper no, goldy minson who you want in the ruck. Nic Nat and Cox keeper forwards.

[Ricochet]

Forward Keeper: no
Ruck Keeper: yes

I don't understand that. Ruck keeper no, goldy minson who you want in the ruck. Nic Nat and Cox keeper forwards.

So Cox is the 2nd highest averaging ruck but the 12th highest averaging forward and you want to keep him in the fwds??  ???  :o

[disco1992]

I have nic nat/ cox and roughie! Surely people would prefer to play these 3 over buddy/ zorko/ JJK??

maybe, but not over

Stevie J, Nroo, Bartel, Dusty, Rocky, Boomer Harvey, Stokes, Cyril (if he didn't get injured), Cloke and Jordan Lewis.

Yeah, I agree my first 5 forwards are Nroo, Stevie J, Bartel, Dusty and Rocky then Cox.
I dont see cyril being great because his hamstring can snap at any time.
Boomer: only averaging 90, expect him to finish with a 80-85 average because he cops some tags
Stokes: probably the only other id consider at F6
Cloke: cant trust, in saying that I expect 130+ today
Lewis: dont think he is that great for DT

and I assumed zorko and buddy because I think 75% of teams would have one or the other

[Andrew]

So Cox is the 2nd highest averaging ruck but the 12th highest averaging forward and you want to keep him in the fwds??  ???  :o

That top 12 forward averages list includes:
Harvey, from 4 games, just played his 5th and scored a 66 so his average of 96 will plummet
Rioli, perma-injured
Westhoff, inflated by his early start and everyone has hopped off

Cox just tonned up. So his 92 average, only 4 points from 6th highest forward average, will now be close to top 6 if not 6th. You can paint the stats to create any picture you want but a consistent, durable Dean Cox is a forward premium. Roughead is the one I'm iffy on.

[Ricochet]

So Cox is the 2nd highest averaging ruck but the 12th highest averaging forward and you want to keep him in the fwds??  ???  :o

That top 12 forward averages list includes:
Harvey, from 4 games, just played his 5th and scored a 66 so his average of 96 will plummet
Rioli, perma-injured
Westhoff, inflated by his early start and everyone has hopped off

Cox just tonned up. So his 92 average, only 4 points from 6th highest forward average, will now be close to top 6 if not 6th. You can paint the stats to create any picture you want but a consistent, durable Dean Cox is a forward premium. Roughead is the one I'm iffy on.

Ok fair enough on those but he's still a fair way behind Nroo, SJ, Bartel, Martin and Rockliff, with Stokes, Cloke and Lewis just a head of him. All should start in a fwd line before Cox.