Hird and Drugs

[Bluke]

Mud sticks.

Sponsors will jump off Essendon quicker than lemmings off a cliff. This will dictate their rate of demise. Demetriou will also create distance from them and won't want the AFL train to be caught up in the wreckage. He will let them hang if there is a guilty verdict from ASADA. Heads need to roll to create an image of cleanliness, guilty or not - it is what we are instructed to listen to that clouds our perspective.

For me, as a business Manager and a parent, there is no way I want my corporate image or son (future player) tarnished with this. Regardless of whether it is legal for a Coach to take this or that is not paramount, it is the allegation that he actually has taken A drug. I would not want any tie to an association that has tainted issues, that is the biggest problem.

There is no dirtier 4 letter word in sport than 'drug'.

*btw - Adelaide wants their 4 points back from rnd 1.

+1

Its time for the AFL to act. This is to big, teams can't keep losing to this team, they've obviously cheated and its time for them to pay the price.

[BB67th]

What I would like to know is where these text messages came from. I haven't heard anything about where they came from, only that they weer alledgedly said. Until I see they come from a credible source I won't see them as genuine.

[Noz]

So it's not illegal for a coach to take drugs. So James Hird could rock up Friday night drugged out of his eyeballs and the AFL, ASADA and WADA will brush it off as nothing?

The Age needs to take the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" not "guilty until proven innoncent" much like Wilson and friends do at the joke of a newspaper called The Age. Maybe they should just let WADA and ASADA handle the investigation and not accuse Hird of anything because legally he can't reply to those comments.

[AFEV]

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Its time for the AFL to act. This is to big, teams can't keep losing to this team, they've obviously cheated and its time for them to pay the price.

ABC has confirmed that none of the drugs mentioned in the Dank Hird texts were illicit.

If you think that every coach which takes ASADA/WADA prohibited substances should be stood down then there would be 18 vacancies in the AFL come morning.

Crawl back into your hole. Seriously don't have time for people like you.

EDIT: @ Noz, those are obviously not the kinds of substances he is taking, his body is totally FARKED from 15 years of football in which he often showed a disregard for his own wellbeing for the betterment of the club. The growth hormones would almost certainly be to help him deal with the aftermath of such a career and it is very much OK for him to take those things.

[Ziplock]

these drugs are legal, just not for elite athletes.

it's not like hirds been shooting up heroin or something...

[TeeJay]

So it's not illegal for a coach to take drugs. So James Hird could rock up Friday night drugged out of his eyeballs and the AFL, ASADA and WADA will brush it off as nothing?

The Age needs to take the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" not "guilty until proven innoncent" much like Wilson and friends do at the joke of a newspaper called The Age. Maybe they should just let WADA and ASADA handle the investigation and not accuse Hird of anything because legally he can't reply to those comments.

No he couldn't because that breaches the code of conduct and is bringing the game into disrepute. He would be sacked just like he will be sacked if he is found guilty to have injected banned substances.

A coach can inject a banned substance away from the club or smoke a joint and thats fine with no help or advice or anything from anyone to do with the club but the second someone from the club is involved or it is done at the club it is bringing the game into disrepute

[TeeJay]

I think you guys are missing the point.. If hird was found to be guilty he would be sacked by the AFL. It breaches the code of conduct

Not sure when the last time you read the coaches code of conduct but nowhere does it mention that taking player banned substances is not permissible.

Read between the lines sid

[nostradamus]

So now the case is

lnnuendo
lnflamatory reporting
Unfinished investigations
Taking legal drugs
Unsubstantiated text messages
and now to top it all off.......reading between the lines

Well dag nabbit let's gather up a bunch of rednecks, form a posse and hang him

[Mat0369]

I was watching the Footy Show earlier tonight and I am 100% with Sam Newman on the issue. The only thing Essendon appear to be guilty of is irregular practices, as the use of an IV drip is illegal. The media have charged everyone else guilty until proven innocent which is not the way it should be at all. Wait until all the actual facts come out. At the moment it is all unsubstantiated innuendo and they are hanging all involved

[gunnerzzz]

What I would like to know is where these text messages came from. I haven't heard anything about where they came from, only that they weer alledgedly said. Until I see they come from a credible source I won't see them as genuine.

+1
How the flower did they get his text messages? Sound's like rubbish.

[coolfugitiv0]

What I would like to know is where these text messages came from. I haven't heard anything about where they came from, only that they weer alledgedly said. Until I see they come from a credible source I won't see them as genuine.

+1
How the flower did they get his text messages? Sound's like rubbish.

I completely agree with this. Nobody wanted to verify the source. I personally think it looks really dodgy.

On a side note, I also have a copy of a text message conversation between Hird and Dank.
It looks like this:

Hird: Good training sesh today!
Dank: Yeah it was mate! You wanna take some drugs?
Hird: Nah mate, I don't want anything to do with that sort of stuff.
Dank: Oh yeah me neither.


As you can see, this completely proves Hirds innocence!

[nostradamus]

here's something that's a bit more factual.......

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/club-set-up-detailed-program-supervision/story-e6frf9jf-1226618591384

lt's a photocopy of the actual guidlines for Essendons supplements program

[BB67th]

What I would like to know is where these text messages came from. I haven't heard anything about where they came from, only that they weer alledgedly said. Until I see they come from a credible source I won't see them as genuine.

+1
How the flower did they get his text messages? Sound's like rubbish.

I completely agree with this. Nobody wanted to verify the source. I personally think it looks really dodgy.

On a side note, I also have a copy of a text message conversation between Hird and Dank.
It looks like this:

Hird: Good training sesh today!
Dank: Yeah it was mate! You wanna take some drugs?
Hird: Nah mate, I don't want anything to do with that sort of stuff.
Dank: Oh yeah me neither.


As you can see, this completely proves Hirds innocence!

Quick mate, send it off to the papers! Maybe tomorrow's headline can be 'Hird always clean" ::)  It amazes me how news agencies like this can influence the entire public saying that all these things did happen when they are still not proven in any way.

[AFEV]

What I would like to know is where these text messages came from. I haven't heard anything about where they came from, only that they weer alledgedly said. Until I see they come from a credible source I won't see them as genuine.

+1
How the flower did they get his text messages? Sound's like rubbish.

I completely agree with this. Nobody wanted to verify the source. I personally think it looks really dodgy.

On a side note, I also have a copy of a text message conversation between Hird and Dank.
It looks like this:

Hird: Good training sesh today!
Dank: Yeah it was mate! You wanna take some drugs?
Hird: Nah mate, I don't want anything to do with that sort of stuff.
Dank: Oh yeah me neither.


As you can see, this completely proves Hirds innocence!

Looks to me like these text messages prove that Dank is a drug dealer.
Game over.

[AFEV]

I was watching the Footy Show earlier tonight and I am 100% with Sam Newman on the issue. The only thing Essendon appear to be guilty of is irregular practices, as the use of an IV drip is illegal. The media have charged everyone else guilty until proven innocent which is not the way it should be at all. Wait until all the actual facts come out. At the moment it is all unsubstantiated innuendo and they are hanging all involved

For the record, IV drips are not actually against ASADA/WADA law. I believe the limit is 50ml every 6 hours for IV drips.

That being said, IV is a bad look for the club and honestly not sure it is worth playing around with something that is widely considered 'dirty'.

Just realised I may have misinterpreted your post and you were saying administering certain substances (which are legal when taken orally) via IV is illegal which is entirely true. Yet to be seen if that's what we were taking though.