Stacking either end

[turry17]

With the decent mid rooks would it be viable to go with a Swan/Ablett and rookie midfield and stack the back line and foward line?

[betch ya]

That's how my team started but you gotta have at least 3-4 gun mids otherwise you'll be missing out on too many points as mids will out score fwd/def

[betch ya]

I might add though if u pick the right rooks and generate enough $$ you'll have a gd team by years end and will be good for a league win

[Nails]

If you want a good team, as betch ya said you need MINIMUM 4 gun mids.

Especially if going for overall rankings (the only way to go). As if you don't have enough gun mids, yes you'll score well in fwds and backs but you'll fall too far behind and not be able to catch up. You'll end up with a good team, but it'll be good at the end, not from the start which you need.

[Ziplock]

If you want a good team, as betch ya said you need MINIMUM 4 gun mids.

Especially if going for overall rankings (the only way to go). As if you don't have enough gun mids, yes you'll score well in fwds and backs but you'll fall too far behind and not be able to catch up. You'll end up with a good team, but it'll be good at the end, not from the start which you need.

I've said this a flowering thousand times, that's not how the goddam magic number work. So long as you time your upgrades right, which will be easier with the better midfield cash cows, it doesn't matter what line you stack.

[Nails]

Na, you need to stack mids.

Zip has lost it.

[tbagrocks]

What back and forward rooks are going to play, and score like a Wines, O'Meara ect

Then you take an ectra back and forward that'll score 85-100, which a rookie mid could but a rookie back/forward can't

so there is the points gap sorted, but you are making far better cash and not relying on forward and back downgrade targets to come up and play

[stew42]

What back and forward rooks are going to play, and score like a Wines, O'Meara ect

Then you take an ectra back and forward that'll score 85-100, which a rookie mid could but a rookie back/forward can't

so there is the points gap sorted, but you are making far better cash and not relying on forward and back downgrade targets to come up and play

Maybe two will get that much, and they probably won't play 100% of games

[Nails]

If you want a good team, as betch ya said you need MINIMUM 4 gun mids.

Especially if going for overall rankings (the only way to go). As if you don't have enough gun mids, yes you'll score well in fwds and backs but you'll fall too far behind and not be able to catch up. You'll end up with a good team, but it'll be good at the end, not from the start which you need.

I've said this a flowering thousand times, that's not how the goddam magic number work. So long as you time your upgrades right, which will be easier with the better midfield cash cows, it doesn't matter what line you stack.

Still wrong, you need to stack mids a bit :-X

6 premo fwds and 6 premo def and only 1 prem mid as this seems to lack enough premiums even with your magic number BS.

As a standard team has like 5 premo mids, 4 premo def and 4 premo fwd.

Therefore a standard power midfield = same amount of premos, but your mid premos are are scoring you more. You don't really get MORE premiums that way, which is what you need.

[Ziplock]

If you want a good team, as betch ya said you need MINIMUM 4 gun mids.

Especially if going for overall rankings (the only way to go). As if you don't have enough gun mids, yes you'll score well in fwds and backs but you'll fall too far behind and not be able to catch up. You'll end up with a good team, but it'll be good at the end, not from the start which you need.

I've said this a flowering thousand times, that's not how the goddam magic number work. So long as you time your upgrades right, which will be easier with the better midfield cash cows, it doesn't matter what line you stack.

Still wrong, you need to stack mids a bit :-X

6 premo fwds and 6 premo def and only 1 prem mid as this seems to lack enough premiums even with your magic number BS.

As a standard team has like 5 premo mids, 4 premo def and 4 premo fwd.

Therefore a standard power midfield = same amount of premos, but your mid premos are are scoring you more. You don't really get MORE premiums that way, which is what you need.

You are so unbelievably wrong.

ok, 2 teams. I'm going to use the averages from last year for the premiums, and assume the following averages
back rookies: 70/65/60/55/55/55 etc.
mid rookies: 95/90/85/80/75/70/70/70 etc.
forward rookies: 80/75/70/65/65/65 etc.

based on past history... which is about right, barring anomalies like zorko, barlow etc. pretty much picked random rookies btw, they're just place holders, ignoring captain bonus since both teams have the same captain, players have the same avg as last year assuming neither improvement nor decline, with the exception of leuenberger, who i've assumed an inconsequential average (since he's in both teams).

Stacked mids: 6 premium
Ziplock stacked mid Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by Zarts. Salary cap left: $8,400.

Brendon Goddard 97, Danny Stanley 93, Jack Grimes 92, Will Sierakowski 70, Lewis Stevenson 65, Simon Tunbridge 60
Steven Verrier 55, Blayne Wilson55

Dane Swan 134, Gary Ablett jnr 125, Dayne Beams 116, Matthew Boyd 115, Trent Cotchin 111, Scott Pendlebury 110, Kane Mitchell 95, Brad Crouch 90
Jaeger O'Meara 85, Jack Viney 80

Ivan Maric 98, Matthew Leuenberger 90
Thomas Nicholls, Sam Rowe

Lance Franklin 101, Dean Cox 100, Paul Chapman 98, Viv Michie 80, Darren Minchington 75, Jake Neade 70
Ben Newton 65, Dylan Orval 60

=2085

Non Stacked mids:

Ziplock unstacked mid Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by Zarts. Salary cap left: $2,300.

Brendon Goddard 97, Heath Scotland 96, Danny Stanley 93, Jack Grimes 92, Bryce Gibbs 92, Matt Suckling 83
Simon Tunbridge 70, Steven Verrier 65

Dane Swan 134, Gary Ablett jnr 125, Scott Pendlebury 110, Kane Mitchell 95, Brad Crouch 90, Jaeger O'Meara 85, Dean Kent 80, Nick Kommer 75
Joshua Prudden 70, Josh Saunders 70

Ivan Maric 98, Matthew Leuenberger 90
Thomas Nicholls, Sam Rowe

Lance Franklin 101, Dean Cox 100, Paul Chapman 98, Steve Johnson 97, Tom Lee 80, Darren Minchington 75
Jake Neade 70, Ben Newton 65

2086

that's a 1ppg difference, so it's kind of inconsequential, the actual difference will rely on what rookies you find in what position and your subsequent premium structure- for instance, hypothetically stacking the midfield is completely viable, if lets say 5 forward rookies show up that are going to average between 95 and 80 and all our midfield rookeis look like they're going to be averaging like 60-70.

Unfortunately, that's unlikely.

As you can see, both teams have very similar scoring potential. However, with the unstacked midfield, there are more high averaging rookies (since they're from the midfield), subsequently faster and superior cash generation, along with stronger bench cover for late withdrawals in the forward and backline.

that's all assuming that premiums retain their exact averages though- obviously averages fluctuate, the trick in dreamteam is to pick the ones who are going to rise, regardless of the position, and avoid the ones who are going to fall, regardless of position.

[stew42]

Another factor is the vest. Can affect the averages of rookies, but less so with the midpricers...

[Ziplock]

I completely agree with that, hence why I went with just guns and rookies strategy here to simplify it a bit more and just deal with the stacking.

[Nails]

You can't just assume those averages.

Back rookies and fwd rookies can average more than mid rookies. Your assumptions are wrong which flowers it all up.

[Ziplock]

and midfield premiums can fluctuate year to year (gibbs, redden, rockliff), in either scenario, you have to nail the right players... however, most years, those averages sit about right.

Last year the highest averaging defender rookie was bugg on 68, the highest averaging pure mid rookie was greene on (97 from memory?) then gibson on 90, and the highest averaging forward rookie was zorko on 95 who's a bit of an exception like barlow, which you can see considering the next highest averaging fwd rookie was treloar on about 82.

My assumed averages are completely reasonable, and have been supported over the last couple of years... sometimes you get a heppell, a zorko, a giles, a barlow, but rare enough and reasonably evenly spread enough over the positions that it doesn't really matter.

[Nails]

There's one part where your team falls down imo.

You don't need to get those awesome rooks for your backline

Stacked mids and you can add Tambling in (good 85 this season)

Which meets your stacked defender line of Suckling for 83 anyway.

Stacked mids + good mid price available fwds and defs  > stacked def and fwds.