Colliwobblers SC Team 2013 - The beginning

[tor01doc]

Hey you big C little w

As for the mids - I would love for anyone to explain to me how if i can field solid rooks on my def and fwd lines why i would want to have more elite fwds or defs over elite mids given the elite mids MASSIVELY outscore the fwds and especially the defenders.

I don't think this accurately sums up the scenario. I agree with your statement above...however

I think you can afford the luxury of 5 mid guns and Ball because your D4 is weak, and your F3 and F4 are also potentially weak.

Some teams have 4 mids plus Ball but have a D4 like Grimes / Yarran / Hibberd as well as F1 - 4 like Buddy / Cox / Rocky / Walker - compared to your Cox / Rocky / Cloke / Wright.

The difference when you average if out over all these positions is pretty much zero.

The advantage for those of us going (until persuaded otherwise!) for 4 mid guns is the potential extra $$$ made by having that extra mid rookie who we hope will outscore his def / fwd rookie counterpart.

What do you think about that?  ;)

[T Dog]

Hey CW I have been watching your team evolve with great interest.

The only tweak I can suggest is a downgrade of Maric to ... say Mummy / Bellchambers and field Tambling for Van Unen as D4  in your backline. Just may be a bigger upside if he looks like holding a spot.......or get Beams in of course...or better still both... ;D

[Colliwobblers]

Hey you big C little w

As for the mids - I would love for anyone to explain to me how if i can field solid rooks on my def and fwd lines why i would want to have more elite fwds or defs over elite mids given the elite mids MASSIVELY outscore the fwds and especially the defenders.

I don't think this accurately sums up the scenario. I agree with your statement above...however

I think you can afford the luxury of 5 mid guns and Ball because your D4 is weak, and your F3 and F4 are also potentially weak.

Some teams have 4 mids plus Ball but have a D4 like Grimes / Yarran / Hibberd as well as F1 - 4 like Buddy / Cox / Rocky / Walker - compared to your Cox / Rocky / Cloke / Wright.

The difference when you average if out over all these positions is pretty much zero.

The advantage for those of us going (until persuaded otherwise!) for 4 mid guns is the potential extra $$$ made by having that extra mid rookie who we hope will outscore his def / fwd rookie counterpart.

What do you think about that?  ;)

I think with 30 trades making money is not going to be an issue,

and I think lets compare scores after round one,

and that's about all that's  left to say, can't be trying to convince others of the right strategy, this one is just mine, D4 Ball and Cloke are not set in stone, but those first 5 mids pretty much are.

[GCSkiwi]

I think with 30 trades making money is not going to be an issue,

and I think lets compare scores after round one,

and that's about all that's  left to say, can't be trying to convince others of the right strategy, this one is just mine, D4 Ball and Cloke are not set in stone, but those first 5 mids pretty much are.

I don't see how extra trades means money making is not an issue? But I have to say, I see what you're saying and while I'm not game enough to try it myself, I will be interested to see how it pays off. No risk, no reward.

[Colliwobblers]

I think with 30 trades making money is not going to be an issue,

and I think lets compare scores after round one,

and that's about all that's  left to say, can't be trying to convince others of the right strategy, this one is just mine, D4 Ball and Cloke are not set in stone, but those first 5 mids pretty much are.

I don't see how extra trades means money making is not an issue? But I have to say, I see what you're saying and while I'm not game enough to try it myself, I will be interested to see how it pays off. No risk, no reward.

it means you do not have to wait until a rook is fully fattened before downgrading him to the next rook that comes along, usually the last couple of rounds before a rook is fully fattened his profit slows drastically each round, having extra trades allows you to trade them sooner and start making money off the next one sooner and making more per round than waiting for the almost fattened one to fully fatten.

[tbagrocks]

Matty Wright, top 6 :o  well the way he's going potentually yes, at very least a nice scoring cheeper option

Now I love Matty having watched him develop, wonderful footballer does it all wright, sorry, right ::)

Honestly though he won't ave more than the Great Man, well he could but still three gun mids ahead of him at Adelaide which could stop him going 110

Can't fault any selections but a three prem backline imo is risky as then you are banking on making decent cahs from them, remember Clarke, Morris, Ellis ect last year? Not great scoring

Please mate if you are going with 5 rook back, even four, get in the best one ::)  I will bet anything Lukey Brown is the best scoring back rookie

[Colliwobblers]

Yes tbag got to wait for round 1 teams but Brown and vlastuin will be on the radar.

i am looking at a few players for D4 from atley and yarran to russell and a few others, pity staker is out he was part of this original setup and changing from him to another rook exposes the backline to be sure.

still if the "right" rooks can be found it will work just fine.

premium defenders can score 80-100  defender rooks what 40-60

premium mids can score 100 -120  mid rooks what 60-80

so not really any difference in overall scoring BUT, premium defenders rarely go 100+ premium mids often go 120+ 

considering I have the best 2 defenders i doubt many of the others will come anywhere near the mids i have.

[tbagrocks]

Oh so Vlastuin is a back? Well then he's the only challenge but Brown is two years older, also loves a contest, loves it ;D great competitor, will stop his opponent but also hunt the footy, great news for SC is his fantastic skills on both legs ;)  Basically he is SuperCouch Gold 8)  My worry is Richmonds need to play Vlastuin like the Ellis or Conca, pushing hard for the top 4 now surely?

How is your new man Russell? Been keen since he went on the free agent market, unfortunatelly I thought he was coming home to Port :-[  But the Pies wouldn't pick up an under preformer like that for no reason, unless Buckley can't coach which is still fair

My SC back 3-4 still buggs me too, if Grimes is fit i'd say yes, if Hartlett is fit? To risky in SC? Can't say i'm overly keen on the cheeper options, how'd Jacobs look? Smokey ;) Atley well I don't know enough there, i'm thinking Burchell for saftey, How fit is Waters?

[Colliwobblers]

Russell was taken at pick #9 overall in the 2004 draft

he must have slept with the coaches wife and the presidents.

He is my not so secret smokie, almost a guaranteed addition to my team at D4, if he shows me a lot more in the remainder of the nab cup, I believe firmly he will be a lock in the pies backline in 2013. But I could be wrong, we will see.

his last 5 seasons in terms of SC relevance?

2008 - 21 games 12.5 disp - 78.6 % Eff - SC 55
2009 - 20 games 16.7 disp - 80.8% Eff - SC 70
2010 - 23 games 20.1 disp - 80.6% Eff - SC 87
2011 - 16 games 16.7 disp - 78.3% Eff - SC 72 
2012 - 7 games 12.1 disp - 74.1% Eff - SC 50

averaged between 3 and 4 tackles per game in every season, and around 5 marks a game.

[Keeper27]

Russell was taken at pick #9 overall in the 2004 draft

he must have slept with the coaches wife and the presidents.

He is my not so secret smokie, almost a guaranteed addition to my team at D4, if he shows me a lot more in the remainder of the nab cup, I believe firmly he will be a lock in the pies backline in 2013. But I could be wrong, we will see.

his last 5 seasons in terms of SC relevance?

2008 - 21 games 12.5 disp - 78.6 % Eff - SC 55
2009 - 20 games 16.7 disp - 80.8% Eff - SC 70
2010 - 23 games 20.1 disp - 80.6% Eff - SC 87
2011 - 16 games 16.7 disp - 78.3% Eff - SC 72 
2012 - 7 games 12.1 disp - 74.1% Eff - SC 50

averaged between 3 and 4 tackles per game in every season, and around 5 marks a game.

agreed and if he can avg 80ish (which i think he will) and at $266K he is an absolute steal.

[Colliwobblers]

This is the option if I go with smokie Russell. I HATE losing the 5th Mid ELITE but if Moloney and Ball can both hit 90-100 ( which they have averaged most of their career) I won't have long to wait to get 2 more Elite mids in with one gun rookie downgrade.

Fwd line is still not everyones cup of tea however Wright I have a feeling about with a good early draw risk is low and Cloke had one bad season in which he still managed to lead the league in contested marks.

If Burger looks great when we see him in Nab Cup, I may not need cox and may make a change there - maybe...

[tor01doc]

"and that's about all that's  left to say, can't be trying to convince others of the right strategy, this one is just mine, D4 Ball and Cloke are not set in stone, but those first 5 mids pretty much are."

Set in stone? Crumbling away. Don't let the naysayers put you off.

I like this better to be honest

[ubeaut]

Team's looking good mate. I like Ball AND Moloney I'm thinking along the same lines getting Russell so I can afford Fyfe and Moloney. I like the Maric,Birchall and Wright picks but surely u can't trust Travis? He is the only fault I can find. otherwise pretty bloody good.

[Colliwobblers]

Team's looking good mate. I like Ball AND Moloney I'm thinking along the same lines getting Russell so I can afford Fyfe and Moloney. I like the Maric,Birchall and Wright picks but surely u can't trust Travis? He is the only fault I can find. otherwise pretty bloody good.

Don't hate him cos he's beautiful  ;D

thanks for the feedback, he worries me too but he is affordable and did lead the comp in contested marks last season in his one bad season, who knows, could be a round 3 forced downgrade to a varcoe or even a rook if he spuds it up, won't be able to upgrade him with $5K in the bank but can always jump off if I have to.

I paid a lot of attention to the leaders early last season, all had more elite mids than most other teams, it is a balance i guess but i think there is merit in loading up the midfield to some degree

what degree exactly i am not sure :)

[Ringo]

Nice team here Colli - Structure Sound.

If Cloke does not cut it you have a few options open to you Sylvia has a pretty easy draw early so you may get in early and make cash, Christensen from Cats is worth a look and then we still Gregory B,

Only comment from me as rest of team is sound.