Colliwobblers SC Team 2013 - The beginning

[GM]

Cloke - Varcoe

Ball - Fyfe

You realise this would mean 2 less collingwood players?!

LOL it's not my fault they are all guns :)

if i had emough money i could get krak instead of varcoe, but surely he cant repeat his 2011 so no pass.

Shaw I can't afford but i will get him in later....

Kennedy will smash it once he debuts if he debuts.

Beams is a must in he will come once upgrades start

who else.....

Russell in defence should be a revelation  :o  brave enough to start him? i think not

Colli,as silly as it sounds Russell & Tambling in DT are looking,,,,no,,,don't think it :o

[GCSkiwi]

More a question colli, but why have you stacked the midfield so heavily? For my mind Wright and Cloke are both risky picks in the fwd line, and I dunno if I would trust Broughton enough to be D3. Also with the number of rookie mids who should prove good cash cows it seems a bit much to have a super-prem M1-5. Why not drop JPK or Jellwood (I would drop Jellwood but either really), have Ball at M5 and use the spare cash to upgrade - could spread it across Broughton, Wright and Cloke to get 3 top-tier keepers at the expense of 1...

[Colliwobblers]

More a question colli, but why have you stacked the midfield so heavily? For my mind Wright and Cloke are both risky picks in the fwd line, and I dunno if I would trust Broughton enough to be D3. Also with the number of rookie mids who should prove good cash cows it seems a bit much to have a super-prem M1-5. Why not drop JPK or Jellwood (I would drop Jellwood but either really), have Ball at M5 and use the spare cash to upgrade - could spread it across Broughton, Wright and Cloke to get 3 top-tier keepers at the expense of 1...

since it is a question :)

I started 3 mid elites last season, HUGE MISTAKE - cost me tons of rank over the first 6-10 rounds went as low as 15000 in DT and 26000 in SC

Pulled that back to 2400 and 6000 but once you lose ground you cannot make it up.

NO ONE scores like an ELITE MID. No one.

we have 8 on the field this season instead of 6, so instead of starting 4 like i SHOULD HAVE last season with 6 on field spots, I will start 5 out of 8 on field spots.

those that do will gain a significant early advantage in scoring over teams that do not.

that is why.

I thought with the talented rooks we had last season I would make tons of cash nad upgrade faster and overrun teams that started more premiums, and while i DID catch up, i could not catch up enough as by round 15 all serious teams are fully upgraded and all premiums anyway so there is no opportunity other than luck to catch up over the back half of the season.

with more trades this season this is even more the case. teams will be upgraded faster and injuries/poor selections will be lest costly.

so starting the highest scoring team you can create i think is essential. Rooks still matter but defensive and fwd rooks make money too, and as always there will be a number of rooks in the middle that don't debut until round 6-8 allowing me to shift rooks through maybe a little early take some cash from them and start fattening the next ones...

we will see, but yeah i make this team for ONE REASON -  MAXIMUM POINTS :)

maybe a second reason also - minimum required upgrades. tho on that reasoning i should not have broughton cloke or byrnes or ball

but i reckon broughton will be keeper or make me 100k, same with cloke, the others i see as cash cows that will score well for me while making me fast cash.

[GCSkiwi]

More a question colli, but why have you stacked the midfield so heavily? For my mind Wright and Cloke are both risky picks in the fwd line, and I dunno if I would trust Broughton enough to be D3. Also with the number of rookie mids who should prove good cash cows it seems a bit much to have a super-prem M1-5. Why not drop JPK or Jellwood (I would drop Jellwood but either really), have Ball at M5 and use the spare cash to upgrade - could spread it across Broughton, Wright and Cloke to get 3 top-tier keepers at the expense of 1...

since it is a question :)

I started 3 mid elites last season, HUGE MISTAKE - cost me tons of rank over the first 6-10 rounds went as low as 15000 in DT and 26000 in SC

Pulled that back to 2400 and 6000 but once you lose ground you cannot make it up.

NO ONE scores like an ELITE MID. No one.

we have 8 on the field this season instead of 6, so instead of starting 4 like i SHOULD HAVE last season with 6 on field spots, I will start 5 out of 8 on field spots.

those that do will gain a significant early advantage in scoring over teams that do not.

that is why.

I thought with the talented rooks we had last season I would make tons of cash nad upgrade faster and overrun teams that started more premiums, and while i DID catch up, i could not catch up enough as by round 15 all serious teams are fully upgraded and all premiums anyway so there is no opportunity other than luck to catch up over the back half of the season.

with more trades this season this is even more the case. teams will be upgraded faster and injuries/poor selections will be lest costly.

so starting the highest scoring team you can create i think is essential. Rooks still matter but defensive and fwd rooks make money too, and as always there will be a number of rooks in the middle that don't debut until round 6-8 allowing me to shift rooks through maybe a little early take some cash from them and start fattening the next ones...

we will see, but yeah i make this team for ONE REASON -  MAXIMUM POINTS :)

maybe a second reason also - minimum required upgrades. tho on that reasoning i should not have broughton cloke or byrnes or ball

but i reckon broughton will be keeper or make me 100k, same with cloke, the others i see as cash cows that will score well for me while making me fast cash.

Yeah fair enough. I think there will be enough people with a 4 gun/1mid/3rookie midfield that you wouldn't lose too much ground. Agree that no-one scores like an elite mid but equally let's say you lose 40 points from going Jellwood to Ball, do you really think Broughton, Wright and Cloke will play as well as say Birchall, Roughy and Stevie J (whoever really, pick 3 top players) that you wouldn't exceed that 40 point deficit? It might well happen but IMO it wont...

[edit] sorry not Jelwood to Ball (being that he's already there), Jelwood to a rookie or even a Fyfe...

[GCSkiwi]

What I'm thinking is this: Based off your projected SC gold score that team is getting 1702 (with a bunch of rookie donuts). Which isn't exactly a reliable stat.
My team is projected to get 1655, but with one more donut on the field than your team. I need Wines to score me 50 points, which I don't think is unreasonable, and I would outscore you, for 50k less than you've spent.
Obviously you're taking the tack that the score projections are rubbish and players are going to play out of their skins, I just wonder if the risks really will pay off...

just food for thought, it's still a nice team

[Colliwobblers]

good point mate, but i back Ball to score more than 66 about 95 is his SC average over 4 seasons. If he is fully fit -if he is not he won't be there.

Cloke may miss the cut and broughton likely to be upgraded as cloke gets downgraded, the projections are usually not too bad so it is food for thought, but you have to look at those projections over more than game 1. as the premiums are there to stay.

that plus Wright i tip to exceed his projections this season.

nice looking team you have there too :)

[Ringo]

Solid team Colli -

Only issue I really have is if going the 3 prem defenders strategy do not think Broughton will cut it.  Ok for D4 if you can arrange it.

Cloke can be hit or miss and if he is on you will benefit.  With departure of Dawes will he start to be double teamed though.

I rate team 8.75/10 mainly because of Broughton at D3.

[Colliwobblers]

Solid team Colli -

Only issue I really have is if going the 3 prem defenders strategy do not think Broughton will cut it.  Ok for D4 if you can arrange it.

Cloke can be hit or miss and if he is on you will benefit.  With departure of Dawes will he start to be double teamed though.

I rate team 8.75/10 mainly because of Broughton at D3.

thanks Ringo, broughton is a certainty to go after tonights showing - not much to go on but enough to cut him.

Cloke will be better he has the Cue stick now who is a far better FWD 2 and will demand a lot more opposition attention than dawes ever did.

The Cue Stick IMO looked great and super fit last week apparently had a great preseason.

[cuz_crew]

pretty average team to be perfectly honest.

5 out of 10

only 3 premiums in the backs is silly. there are so many good mid rookies this year you should go with one less prem in the mid and move them to the back line to cover one of the 3 crap rookies you have.

fyfe wont average 100 and u have him in the mid... poor choice you could get luke ball or moloney for 200K less and they will average the same.

rucks are good

byrnes is a bad choice. varcoe will out score him.

[Jay]

+1.

And although I don't usually do the old '+1' because it is often just a cheap way to up your stats (as pointed out by a recently veteranised coach) and doesn't really help anyone much at all, in this case, it is well worth it!

What is a noob anyway?

Hey, I never '+1' :P

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob

[Colliwobblers]

+1.

And although I don't usually do the old '+1' because it is often just a cheap way to up your stats (as pointed out by a recently veteranised coach) and doesn't really help anyone much at all, in this case, it is well worth it!

What is a noob anyway?

Hey, I never '+1' :P

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob

in this case i should have refered to the newbs on the site, "people new to the task and willing to learn"  rather than Noon which is a little harsh :)  so it would seem

[nightwalker_1310au]

Yeah team looks good mate. Can you rate my one please http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,71588.0.html

[GCSkiwi]

pretty average team to be perfectly honest.

5 out of 10

only 3 premiums in the backs is silly. there are so many good mid rookies this year you should go with one less prem in the mid and move them to the back line to cover one of the 3 crap rookies you have.

fyfe wont average 100 and u have him in the mid... poor choice you could get luke ball or moloney for 200K less and they will average the same.

rucks are good

byrnes is a bad choice. varcoe will out score him.

Are you rating my team or Colli's? It's my team that has Fyfe...
I disagree on Fyfe, I think he will easily average 100. Definitely not replacing him for Ball. Nor am I going to drop a prem mid to cover a rookie back, purely because the scoring isn't worth it. Also because the only other prem back I would consider is Shaw and then I would have 3 with a rd 13 bye. I'm not starting Hanley or Hartlett or any others, would prefer to see how they fare, the proven ones to add to the 3 I have would be Waters, Scotland and Shaw.
Byrnes still TBC, I am considering Varcoe.

[Colliwobblers]

pretty average team to be perfectly honest.

5 out of 10

only 3 premiums in the backs is silly. there are so many good mid rookies this year you should go with one less prem in the mid and move them to the back line to cover one of the 3 crap rookies you have.

fyfe wont average 100 and u have him in the mid... poor choice you could get luke ball or moloney for 200K less and they will average the same.

rucks are good

byrnes is a bad choice. varcoe will out score him.

Are you rating my team or Colli's? It's my team that has Fyfe...
I disagree on Fyfe, I think he will easily average 100. Definitely not replacing him for Ball. Nor am I going to drop a prem mid to cover a rookie back, purely because the scoring isn't worth it. Also because the only other prem back I would consider is Shaw and then I would have 3 with a rd 13 bye. I'm not starting Hanley or Hartlett or any others, would prefer to see how they fare, the proven ones to add to the 3 I have would be Waters, Scotland and Shaw.
Byrnes still TBC, I am considering Varcoe.

you can't take his comments seriously GCSkiwi - he is just a stupid troll, your team looks great to me, I prefer Fyfe over Ball as a keeper obviously Fyfe is a level above in fantasy terms, but I am only using Ball as a high scoring cash cow - not a keeper.

[t.thomas6]

What I'm thinking is this: Based off your projected SC gold score that team is getting 1702 (with a bunch of rookie donuts). Which isn't exactly a reliable stat.
My team is here (feel free to rate!):

Projected to get 1655, but with one more donut on the field than your team. I need Wines to score me 50 points, which I don't think is unreasonable, and I would outscore you, for 50k less than you've spent.
Obviously you're taking the tack that the score projections are rubbish and players are going to play out of their skins, I just wonder if the risks really will pay off...

just food for thought, it's still a nice team

Hey kiwi! Get your own post! haha you're confusing everyone! (i.e. me!)

Nice looking team so far :)

Backs: Might be a bit thin. Maybe look at a solid D4 or someone who might break out? - 1.5/2
Mids: Does having 3 prems with the round 13 bye worry you? If so maybe think about "downgrading" one of Swan or Pendles to a player that MAY become elite (e.g. Sloane, Shuey, even S. Sellwood? someone like that). Love Fyfe at M5...I have him too.
Other than that - 3/4
Rucks: Solid :P That was my old set up and might go back to it (rooks wise) - 2/2
Fwds: I like seeing Roughy in there. Not enough have him (including me lol) and if Bartel can find some old form could be a very good fwd line - 1.5/2

Overall 8/10. Solid as usual :)

Feel free to rate mine :P