Potentially 16 keepers.

[MC]

Hey guys,

Been playing around with my team (big surprise...) and have come up with this. I feel that it a reasonable mix between taking risks and playing safe, and have decided that if things go very well (optimism!) then I could potentially have 16 keepers in this side!




Realistically there are more likely going to be 14 keepers - I don't have the utmost faith in Yarran/Leuenberger. Though they certainly have the potential to raise their stocks high enough to be considered.

Obviously there will be people who disagree - please post your reasons below.

Cheers!

[Give_It_To_Kobe]

i like the uniqueness in your team. I just am not sure about some picks, it seems you are set on your idea which is fine

but i would think that christenson is just a glorified varcoe, so why not save and get varcoe or even shannon byrnes? i feel as if the scoring differential wont be too dissimilar.

with the money you could upgrade a dahlhaus into a buddy or ryder or roughhead, that automatically makes your team look much better in my opinion

also with mids the goal for the end of the year should be to have 8 of the best scores in the game in your final team, if you are spending 600k on jack or even 500k on fyfe, are you sure that they are that? if not you are at a dissadvantage, if they are then you have a good pod in jack and a good bargain in fyfe. Just some food for thought

[j]

Keep Christensen he'll have a big year. Better off downgrading Dahlhaus to L Jetta and Shaw to Goddard. Then you can up grade goldyto Jacobs. Also Sinclair won't do much this year better off getting Rowe in as a dpp link to cox

[MC]

Thanks for the feedback guys. If i'm not mistaken, (and I don't have time to double check!) Jack averaged 122 after the middle of last year, which says to me that he can become elite this season. He presents more value (in my opinion) than JPK does.

Dahlhaus is another big IF - i'm much more confident with my selection of Christensen.

As I said, I tried to balance between risk taking and bankable scores. I hate seeing every team that looks the exact same as the one before - so i've tried something different!

I really like Heppell this year, just don't know about both of Heppell and Goddard - hence the inclusion of Shaw who will be a top 3 defender this year anyway. For those who disagree - check his stats for the past 5 or so years!

[Keeper27]

nice team, very balanced.
but i can only count 11 keepers.

realisticly i dont see Yarran, Fyfe, Leuey, Dahlhaus or Christensen as keepers.

sure they'll score ok enough but with limited spots in the back/fwd lines you want the absolute best players.

will any of those players (except Leuey) be in the top 10 in those positions come years end??

Yarran IMO will avg 85-90ish. there's about 10 other players who will avg 90-95+ and you want Yarran as a keeper??

Fyfe isnt a keeper he's just there to be upgraded. he'll avg 105-110ish while other SC'ers got players who'll avg 120-125+ you'll fall behind.

Dahlhaus & Christensen.
Dahlhaus is a gun player, love watching him play but will he be top 10 fwd's come years end?? nope. 90 max for him.
I reckon Christensen will get more mid time this year and he will do well but a max avg of 95 is all i can see for him.

those are decent scores but with only 6 spots to fill and with all the ruck/fwd DPP coming in there's about 10 players that will avg 100+ again and you'll fall behind.

not tryna be a dick and rip up your team, just tryna make people see there's no point in tryna get this years walker/waters/beams when there is only limited spots to fill.

its way to risky and you can stuck with a player who will stagnate and leave you either holding on to him all year hoping he'll improve (dusty  >:() or sideways trade him to another stagnate player.

btw i really like the jack/wright picks. great choices.

[Ringo]

Nice team MC -

Solid selection of prems - mid pricers and rookies. Some sound well thought out unique choices.

Def: Nice POD Shaw - Personally am targeting Shaw as an upgrade target when I see his state of mind and scores early. Did not play in the NAB cup. If worried about Yarran and if he is named for Pies Jordan Russell may be a cheaper alternative. Looked good for pies on the week end,  Just a slight concern as to how Goddard will effect Heppell. In second NAB cup game v Pies when Goddard stepped up Heppell seemed to drift a bit.  Just watch prior to finalising selection.
Mids: Like the choice of Jack and could pay off early given the Swans reasonable first up draw. You are correct he averaged 131 pts for Rds 8  - 18 but was a little during the final series though.  If cash required and Pies elevate Martin could be an alternate cash cow for you in mids. Maybe downgrade Stevens to him if need be.
Rucks; Standard
Fwds: Nice POD's here Dalhaus may suffer being at a club on the decline,  Christensen I like and could possibly step up this year. Would re think Mayes do not think he will get early games for Lions unless he shines in the NAB cup.  Did not play in the intra club trial as a pre caution. Maybe replace with Nead from Port who really looks the goods.

My comments and well done on this semi unique team.  Watch for some more lucrative cash cows in the NAB cup.

[tor01doc]

 Jack averaged 122 after the middle of last year, which says to me that he can become elite this season. He presents more value (in my opinion) than JPK does.

Looking at the player section of FF, in Jack's last 4 games, finals included, he scored 83, 57, 87 and 80.

JPK - 105, 147, 132 and 83.

I know who I'm getting.

[Keeper27]

I know who I'm getting.

he's one of the players i have.
starting with 5 strong super premos (125+) GAJ, Swanny, Pendles, JPK, Cotchin.

gotta start strong this year.

[MC]

My biggest concern for Jack is that he's been used as a tagger so much in his career so far, that his SC scores have definitely suffered. There's still plenty of NAB action to analyse before my team is finalised obviously, but i'm liking the discussion that is being generated through the inclusion of a few relatively unique options.

To be honest, Dahlhaus and Jack are the two players most likely to be swapped out. A touch too much risk associated for my liking - though I can certainly see both stepping it up this year under the right circumstances!

[johnnytheboy1]

Def: I also agree that shaw is a better Upgrade Target better off with Goddard
Mids You have 3 Premiums out in Round 13 so maybe leave out Murphy for J.Selwood
Rucks: Standard
Fwds: Would leave out Dahlhaus bring in Wright but you will need to find the money elsewere to make these moves

Overall Some good unique picks such as Christensen give this team an 7.5/10

[tor01doc]

Looking at the mid premiums > $550000 this year, 14/30 play round 13.

Ablett, Swan, Pendlebury, Beams, Watson, Dangerfield, Murphy, Thompson, Ward, McLean, Sidebottom, Sloane, Stanton, Judd,

Also Tuck, Kelly, Griffen, O'Keefe and Redden, very low % selected aren't in this round (so effectively 14/25) making it even more difficult to spread evenly.

Round 11 - Cotchin, Lids, Boyd and Mitchell (and Griffen, Tuck, Redden - no thanks) ie 4

Round 12 - JPK, Jelwood, Jack,  Priddis, Swallow, SSelwood, Shuey ( and O'Keefe, Kelly - nope) ie 7 but really lower end for some

Reminding me of that round last year where all the good defenders were out.

I reckon you'll have to have minimum 3 from round 13 in mids. Sideways trade if you need to at that stage to soften the blow.

This reliance of the sideways trade is why the wise grasshopper will pay some attention to DPP. 30 will not be enough.

So there!  :P

[MC]

Def: I also agree that shaw is a better Upgrade Target better off with Goddard
Mids You have 3 Premiums out in Round 13 so maybe leave out Murphy for J.Selwood
Rucks: Standard
Fwds: Would leave out Dahlhaus bring in Wright but you will need to find the money elsewere to make these moves

Overall Some good unique picks such as Christensen give this team an 7.5/10

I already have Wright in there at F3.

[Millhouse]

I really like your team; I'm worried about some of the critiques and their suggestions. Often the communities create some form of convergence of supported players; Fyfe and Buddy last year, for instance
I like how you've chosen to go for two high-priced premiums and two ~600K premiums in your midfield; allowing to have another ~450k forward.
I think Wright and Heppell are good sections, also Shaw; he's at a pretty agreeable price

In terms of advice; I don't think I can offer much; alot of thought as gone into this team and I quite like it, especially given the amount of trades and reliability of many of these players.
I would consider swapping Dahlhaus for Broughton; however Broughton is yet to be determined. You could also, during the course of the NAB cup downgrade Mayes; or choose other rookies; Sam Dwyer or Clay Cameron for Docherty to free up funds to swap Dahlhaus for Dusty Martin? There;s about 25k difference between the two; I think Martin may have more room for growth than Dahlhaus, given Chocco William's comments

[tor01doc]

I really like your team; I'm worried about some of the critiques and their suggestions. Often the communities create some form of convergence of supported players; Fyfe and Buddy last year, for instance
I like how you've chosen to go for two high-priced premiums and two ~600K premiums in your midfield; allowing to have another ~450k forward.
I think Wright and Heppell are good sections, also Shaw; he's at a pretty agreeable price

In terms of advice; I don't think I can offer much; alot of thought as gone into this team and I quite like it, especially given the amount of trades and reliability of many of these players.
I would consider swapping Dahlhaus for Broughton; however Broughton is yet to be determined. You could also, during the course of the NAB cup downgrade Mayes; or choose other rookies; Sam Dwyer or Clay Cameron for Docherty to free up funds to swap Dahlhaus for Dusty Martin? There;s about 25k difference between the two; I think Martin may have more room for growth than Dahlhaus, given Chocco William's comments

Hi Millhouse,

Often the communities create some form of convergence of supported players; Fyfe and Buddy last year, for instance

This comment caught my attention.

What do you mean exactly?

Fyfe and Buddy - I can't think of 2 more diverse years in terms of potential and outcome.

Look forward to more of your insightful comments.

[MC]

I really like your team; I'm worried about some of the critiques and their suggestions. Often the communities create some form of convergence of supported players; Fyfe and Buddy last year, for instance
I like how you've chosen to go for two high-priced premiums and two ~600K premiums in your midfield; allowing to have another ~450k forward.
I think Wright and Heppell are good sections, also Shaw; he's at a pretty agreeable price

In terms of advice; I don't think I can offer much; alot of thought as gone into this team and I quite like it, especially given the amount of trades and reliability of many of these players.
I would consider swapping Dahlhaus for Broughton; however Broughton is yet to be determined. You could also, during the course of the NAB cup downgrade Mayes; or choose other rookies; Sam Dwyer or Clay Cameron for Docherty to free up funds to swap Dahlhaus for Dusty Martin? There;s about 25k difference between the two; I think Martin may have more room for growth than Dahlhaus, given Chocco William's comments

Hi Millhouse,

Often the communities create some form of convergence of supported players; Fyfe and Buddy last year, for instance

This comment caught my attention.

What do you mean exactly?

Fyfe and Buddy - I can't think of 2 more diverse years in terms of potential and outcome.

Look forward to more of your insightful comments.

Millhouse is spot on with his comments. There are a lot of people here who jump on the bandwagon for a particular player - ala Dustin Martin last year. A few people play around with an idea, gain some supporters, and then all of a sudden, every man and his dog are considering that player a 'lock.' Players like Hannebery, Wright, Mundy, Goodes (wb) and Byrnes are in every second team. Some for very good reasons, others (like Goodes) on the back of one or two decent NAB games, which I know is all we have to base it on with rookies. The NAB will see the emergence of a few smokies, who everyone will jump on - who was it that averaged 140ish in the NAB and then did nothing last year? Thomas? 

This is a trap that everyone (including me) fall into at one point or another, and often you select a player, it goes against public approval, and you jump off in favour of the 'flavour of the month' player.

This can be said for the Shaw vs Goddard comments. Everyone is backing in Goddard 1000% (and given his history of high averages it's not such a bad thing) but rip through Shaw because of his recent history of silly mistakes made off field. In this instance, both players are 541k for averaging the same amount in 2012. The difference? Goddard has switched clubs (danger!!) and is said to be playing more in the midfield. Shaw on the other hand might be moving onto the wing and launching forward more often in the absence of Wellingham and Thomas. Shaw is a safer pick in my opinion, yet many people are strongly against the idea of him! I've chosen Shaw and Heppell, and will look to bring in Goddard later in the season once he's settled in.

Thanks for the feedback and discussion so far guys!