Pick your 16 Australian players for the 2013 Ashes Tour

[Sapientia]

   On the subject of wicket keepers and the importance of batting..   I'm taking Gilchrist or Sangakarra over Healy or Knot, the extra batting strength is worth more in my opinion. Thats of course that the keeper is of some reasonable quality.

Yeah lad, and that I totally agree with, I just believe that the level of batting in the current options isn't that different within them, if that makes sense. When the gap is 20-25 runs yeah. When it's 5-10 as I believe it is with Wade/Nevill, then the superior glovework should count.

[Capper]

   On the subject of wicket keepers and the importance of batting..   I'm taking Gilchrist or Sangakarra over Healy or Knot, the extra batting strength is worth more in my opinion. Thats of course that the keeper is of some reasonable quality.

Yeah lad, and that I totally agree with, I just believe that the level of batting in the current options isn't that different within them, if that makes sense. When the gap is 20-25 runs yeah. When it's 5-10 as I believe it is with Wade/Nevill, then the superior glovework should count.

totally agree. Dont think they will take Nevill though as he cant get a game in front on Haddin (although he can now)

I dont see Paine as a test keeper i would rather they take Hartley

[Sapientia]

   On the subject of wicket keepers and the importance of batting..   I'm taking Gilchrist or Sangakarra over Healy or Knot, the extra batting strength is worth more in my opinion. Thats of course that the keeper is of some reasonable quality.

Yeah lad, and that I totally agree with, I just believe that the level of batting in the current options isn't that different within them, if that makes sense. When the gap is 20-25 runs yeah. When it's 5-10 as I believe it is with Wade/Nevill, then the superior glovework should count.

totally agree. Dont think they will take Nevill though as he cant get a game in front on Haddin (although he can now)

I dont see Paine as a test keeper i would rather they take Hartley

Yeah it's a valid point. I definitely think there's more upside in Paine however, his technique is sound and compact - there's every chance with a bit of work he could begin to merit a spot in teams on his batting alone; I definitely see more upside in his batting than any other option he's just not the end product yet.

[upthemaidens]

   On the subject of wicket keepers and the importance of batting..   I'm taking Gilchrist or Sangakarra over Healy or Knot, the extra batting strength is worth more in my opinion. Thats of course that the keeper is of some reasonable quality.

Yeah lad, and that I totally agree with, I just believe that the level of batting in the current options isn't that different within them, if that makes sense. When the gap is 20-25 runs yeah. When it's 5-10 as I believe it is with Wade/Nevill, then the superior glovework should count.

Fair enough, Wade is no Gilly thats for sure.  At this stage its Wade's spot to lose.
  Really dont see the point going back to Haddin now, I would prefer they take a young back-up keeper to England. Give him some experience of a tour and being in the squad. May as well think of the future.

[tbagrocks]

Soulution, bat Wade as a pure Bat at 4-6, play Tim Paine as Keeper, give him time to develop his game, i'm not sold on Wade as a keeper, probably use him as the odi keeper though

[upthemaidens]

Soulution, bat Wade as a pure Bat at 4-6, play Tim Paine as Keeper, give him time to develop his game, i'm not sold on Wade as a keeper, probably use him as the odi keeper though

That wont happen,, Wade could never be batsman only

[PowerBug]

I wouldn't have Wade in the side for his batting only, too aggressive, hasn't been proven under pressure yet.

[pyronerd]

I wouldn't have Wade in the side for his batting only, too aggressive, hasn't been proven under pressure yet.

should be a keeper-bowler don't you think? :P

[BB67th]

   On the subject of wicket keepers and the importance of batting..   I'm taking Gilchrist or Sangakarra over Healy or Knot, the extra batting strength is worth more in my opinion. Thats of course that the keeper is of some reasonable quality.

Yeah lad, and that I totally agree with, I just believe that the level of batting in the current options isn't that different within them, if that makes sense. When the gap is 20-25 runs yeah. When it's 5-10 as I believe it is with Wade/Nevill, then the superior glovework should count.

Fair enough, Wade is no Gilly thats for sure.  At this stage its Wade's spot to lose.
  Really dont see the point going back to Haddin now, I would prefer they take a young back-up keeper to England. Give him some experience of a tour and being in the squad. May as well think of the future.

Are there any other good really young keepers in the country at the moment though to take on the tours?

I mean Wade is what, 25? and he is the youngest keeper in the country just about.

VIC - Wade - 25 current national keeper, Peter Handscomb - not solid with his glovework
NSW - Haddin - 36 almost retired, Nevill - 27 don't think his batting quite stands up to international level
QLD - Hartley - 30 best gloveman in the country but batting doesn't quite stand up
TAS - Paine - 28 should get tried more at international level could be a great test keeper and potential test captain
SA - Ludeman - 25 must admit I don't know much about him but I don't think he is a better batter or keeper than Hartley
WA - Triffit - 22 looks to have a lot of potential but was recently dropped from the Scorchers T20 side and doesn't deserve to go on a tour yet.

So who else would you take as the second keeper? I don't think there is really anyone young to take on the tour, so I would be taking Tim Paine as the backup from that.

[FisherSaints]

Surely the selectors have to consider Shaun Marsh. He played his debut test against India (or was it South Africa) and made 141. In amazing form right now

[BB67th]

Surely the selectors have to consider Shaun Marsh. He played his debut test against India (or was it South Africa) and made 141. In amazing form right now

It was Sri Lanka actually.

Also the amazing form he is in is only in the Big Bash, he hasn't played that many first class matches this season because he was dropped from the WA side and in the Ryobi Cup I yesterday read that he is averaging under 15 from something like 5 matches. He is definitely in great T20 from, and along with Pomersbach and Finch, should get into the T20Is, but there are others who deserve a crack at the test team over Marsh now, he just lacks the ability to go on and make a hundred, look at his first class record, and he need more stability than he can provide throughout the top and middle order.

[PowerBug]

Big Bash form =/= Test or First Class form (i think that =/= is the symbol for not equal :P)

[FisherSaints]

At least ODI

[Capper]

Big Bash form =/= Test or First Class form (i think that =/= is the symbol for not equal :P)

isnt not equal <>? ??? but the sum is correct

[Sapientia]

   On the subject of wicket keepers and the importance of batting..   I'm taking Gilchrist or Sangakarra over Healy or Knot, the extra batting strength is worth more in my opinion. Thats of course that the keeper is of some reasonable quality.

Yeah lad, and that I totally agree with, I just believe that the level of batting in the current options isn't that different within them, if that makes sense. When the gap is 20-25 runs yeah. When it's 5-10 as I believe it is with Wade/Nevill, then the superior glovework should count.

Fair enough, Wade is no Gilly thats for sure.  At this stage its Wade's spot to lose.
  Really dont see the point going back to Haddin now, I would prefer they take a young back-up keeper to England. Give him some experience of a tour and being in the squad. May as well think of the future.

Are there any other good really young keepers in the country at the moment though to take on the tours?

I mean Wade is what, 25? and he is the youngest keeper in the country just about.

VIC - Wade - 25 current national keeper, Peter Handscomb - not solid with his glovework
NSW - Haddin - 36 almost retired, Nevill - 27 don't think his batting quite stands up to international level
QLD - Hartley - 30 best gloveman in the country but batting doesn't quite stand up
TAS - Paine - 28 should get tried more at international level could be a great test keeper and potential test captain
SA - Ludeman - 25 must admit I don't know much about him but I don't think he is a better batter or keeper than Hartley
WA - Triffit - 22 looks to have a lot of potential but was recently dropped from the Scorchers T20 side and doesn't deserve to go on a tour yet.

So who else would you take as the second keeper? I don't think there is really anyone young to take on the tour, so I would be taking Tim Paine as the backup from that.

Nevill with a FC average of 43... Not good enough?

Ludeman is rubbish. Triffitt isn't composed enough as a bat nor consistent enough with the gloves - takes miracle catches but fluffs simple ones.