tbags rocks, help me i'm to bias :p

[azza707]

A couple of changes including Ablett into the team, Forwards are the hardest with many dpp's and would also like to bring in Pendles

tbags rocks Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by tbagrocks. Salary cap left: $34,500.

Brendon Goddard, Jack Grimes, Bryce Gibbs, Dyson Heppell, Paul Duffield, Sam Docherty
Jasper Pittard, Dean Terlich

Gary Ablett jnr, Jack Redden, Marc Murphy, Nathan Fyfe, Patrick Dangerfield, Brett Goodes, Brad Crouch, Anthony Morabito
Jaeger O'Meara, Jack Viney

Todd Goldstein, Matthew Leuenberger
Max Gawn, Jarrod Witts

Tom Rockliff, Dale Thomas, Matthew Wright, Allen Christensen, Travis Varcoe, Brent Staker
Brad Dick, Ben Kennedy

Someone posted this in another topic and its very true.

In the top 100 total point scorers for defenders last year only 8 averaged more than 85.
Same with forwards 21 averaged more than 85 and we all know what prem mids can avg.

While i think the defenders you have will be in the top 8 or so for the year, there are only 6 spots this year and i think you can afford to go a bit lighter in the def provided the amount of rookies at this stage that look like getting games. I would use that cash to upgrade someone like christensen. I know there was a lot of hype around him at the beginning of last year but i dont know, i just dont like geelong midfielders at the moment, and Christensen just doesnt win enough of the ball consistently to warrant picking him yet. Unless he has a huuuge pre-season i think ill pass on him for now, especially considering youve already got Varcoe.

I like the midfield, its very unique. like i said ive gone mundy instead of fyfe, but i think both are much of a muchness and you can expect similar output from both.

I like your rucks as that was my combo, however with all this recent talk about NicNat maybe not being fit for round 1 and all, ive opted for Cox for now. I know he's getting on the old side, but he could rack up the points. however the fact that lynch is gone could be a bit of a problem and he could still play forwrd a lot. the problem is even when he is forward he is still racking up the points -_-
If he gets through the pre-season okay may just go with Maric tbh. no competition for his spot and his first half of the season before he injured his groin was so dominant. will be watching closely to see if he can replicate that.

Ohh also i think i will stick clear of dale thomas. Coming off some pretty serious surgery and wont get a full pre season, and with Ball, Beams and Sidebum all competing for that midfield time he may find himself forward quite a bit until he builds a solid fitness base. could still average a decent 90, however im wary of starting with him for now and may look to upgrade to him.

[tbagrocks]

Taking some risks, hoping some midpricers make quick cash, how's this looking?


tbags rocks Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by tbagrocks. Salary cap left: $87,100.

Brendon Goddard, Jack Grimes, Bryce Gibbs, Paul Duffield, Jack Watts, Brett Goodes
Sam Docherty, Dean Terlich

Scott Pendlebury, Jack Redden, Patrick Dangerfield, Marc Murphy, Nathan Fyfe, Andrew Embley, Kane Mitchell, Brad Crouch
Jaeger O'Meara, Jack Viney

Todd Goldstein, Matthew Leuenberger
Max Gawn, Jarrod Witts

Tom Rockliff, Matthew Wright, Dustin Martin, Allen Christensen, Travis Varcoe, Brent Staker
Tom Lee, Ben Kennedy

[tbagrocks]

Still playing at this stage but this team is something like what I want, sure I might get critisism but it has massive, massive, did I mention massive upside.

I swapped Robbo for Walker and Mundy to get Embley and Caddy, the Caddy selection is based on I want a young gun to rise nicely to get a Swap/Ablett when they drop early on!


tbags rocks Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by tbagrocks. Salary cap left: $21,800.

Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Dyson Heppell, Paul Duffield, Jasper Pittard, Brett Goodes
Sam Docherty, Dean Terlich

Scott Pendlebury, Jack Redden, Patrick Dangerfield, Marc Murphy, Nathan Fyfe, Josh Caddy, Andrew Embley, Brad Crouch
Jaeger O'Meara, Jack Viney

Todd Goldstein, Matthew Leuenberger
Max Gawn, Sam Rowe

Taylor Walker, Matthew Wright, Dustin Martin, Allen Christensen, Chris Knights, Travis Varcoe
Brent Staker, Tom Lee

What do you think? Trouble i'm seeing is I will struggle Rd 11, Danger to Jelwood :-\ also need a Daisy or Robbo, probably for Tex :-[

[Football Factory]

I like your backline and rucks .. but your midfield is taking alot of cash at the expense of your forward line

[azza707]

Dont mind the team, but I honestly would downgrade one of Dangerfield/Fyfe or Caddy/Embley to a rookie and upgrade Knights/Varcoe. Whichever you choose is up to you, but i think you can afford to have 2 rookies starting in the midfield as there are some decent players this year.

One massive concern is you dont have an out and out premium forward. no stevie J, no buddy, no Pav...?? Martin i expect to average 95 but the rest a quite risky. sure you could have 2 of Walker/Wright/Christensen/Martin but i think youve gone over board. Yes it has massive upside, but to be honest it could also leave you sitting at the 100k mark come round 3.

Dont mind starting without swan or ablett considering Pendles and Murphy are so underpriced. If youre going to pick Fyfe, Danger, Caddy and Embley, i seriously think you need to upgrade Redden to a Cotchin/Boyd/Watson/Beams. Yes Redden has massive upside by the sounds of things and we will see in the NAB, but apart from Pendles your lacking quite a bit of definite fire power

[tbagrocks]

Forward thinking: Buddy is not good value, could have a better year but also misses games, SJ won't play the role he did last year that was a needs basis, Caddy, Christensen, Duncan and co will be the brunt, SJ will be eased and play forward getting him primed for a run at September will be Geelong's priority, Pav I don't think is the DT gun of the past and Walker will out score him

Walker has massive upside will just keep getting better, Wright's only played 36 games and looks a ripper on a wing for Adelaide, Christensen had two tons before injury, is being primed for a midfield run thin pre-season, Varcoe to play half back, Knights half forward - mid rotation, Dusty is in great shape and has to imrpove his output

There just aren't the rookie forwards of last year to be upgrading to, Knights is a good CC

imo people with the Cox, SJ teams will be disapointed, both will play much more forward and with the two teams gunning for premierships, they could even be managed to have them firing in September much like Otten

I could even go with Daisy or Rocky, somehow I just don't quite trust either at this stage

Of course this is just all my opinion, but don't be suprised if I get a lot of it right ;)

[Football Factory]

Forward thinking: Buddy is not good value, could have a better year but also misses games, SJ won't play the role he did last year that was a needs basis, Caddy, Christensen, Duncan and co will be the brunt, SJ will be eased and play forward getting him primed for a run at September will be Geelong's priority, Pav I don't think is the DT gun of the past and Walker will out score him

Walker has massive upside will just keep getting better, Wright's only played 36 games and looks a ripper on a wing for Adelaide, Christensen had two tons before injury, is being primed for a midfield run thin pre-season, Varcoe to play half back, Knights half forward - mid rotation, Dusty is in great shape and has to imrpove his output

There just aren't the rookie forwards of last year to be upgrading to, Knights is a good CC

imo people with the Cox, SJ teams will be disapointed, both will play much more forward and with the two teams gunning for premierships, they could even be managed to have them firing in September much like Otten

I could even go with Daisy or Rocky, somehow I just don't quite trust either at this stage

Of course this is just all my opinion, but don't be suprised if I get a lot of it right ;)

Cox played forward last year and averaged 100 .. SJ played forward in 2011 and averaged 107

[Adamant]

Seriously tbag, you need to get Rocky in there.

http://dreamteamtalk.com/2012/12/12/deck-of-dream-team-2013-tom-rockliff/

This year was worst case scenario for him, yet he still managed a 93 average (8th highest for forwards). He should be right back in the guts and push a 110 average.

[tbagrocks]

Cheers for the feedback guys :D

The recruiting of Sam Mayes will help Rocky's chances. I've actually never had a Cox (Sandi ;)) or SJ in my team, not DT anyway, I dunno something just bothers me about them, yeah all the proof is there that they will be top 6 again,

I'm banking on using the 30 trades, some sideways swapping when uber premo's drop nicely, and if my Christensen's don't look like they are keepers it won't be to hard to swap, it's just a theory. It could backfire but it will be more exciting for me than just having the same players as everyone,

Rocky probably goes in, problem is this: Tex is now a massive and fit unit, Adelaide have a very soft early draw and Tex just keeps getting better, I would hate to leave him out for him to bag 4-5 goals and ave 105+ in the first 6 weeks :-[

Also I want Robbo somehow, lol this is hard, how can you fit em all in :-[ Maybe risk leaving Wright out, I do like the look of Varco and if Knighters gets game time, but is it better to have say Robbo/Rocky and bank on a Mayes, Menzel, Kennedy type playing early? :-\

[azza707]

Haha i think youve misunderstood my greatly. I dont think any of the players youve picked are actually bad, i actually agree with the players you  have picked and can understand your reasoning behind them all.

I think Wright, Christensen, Danger, Fyfe, Knights, Varcoe, Caddy, Embley, Martin are all justifiable picks, my point was more the fact that you have waaaay to many of them. its very easy to get carried away and sucked in to a players value rather than scoring potential.

Agree that buddy isnt a good pick to start with imo, i was just pointing out the dominant forwards....

NN may not even get up for round one and with no lynch, that leaves Cox to do absolutely everything. Cox will smash it until NN is fully fit which may not be til after the bye. ignore him at your own peril but there is no way he is going down in average. will do better or the same this year despite his age.

Stevie J is another one, dominates up forward, but was even more dominant in the midfield last year where he played the second half of the season and racks it up. He will play there in 2013 im pretty certain. The likes of Bartel, Chappy and Kelly are getting on and i can see the first 2 playing a lot of time up forward. Stevie J will be at pretty much every centre bounce leading the young midfield brigade.

Never ever doubt the great man matthew pavlich, his DT days are far from over. would be a tad worried if he was in the middle, but now that he has gone back to being a permanent forward i will back him 11/10 times. with the rise of Mayne last year to support him and a fit Sandi, Pav should be able to strut his stuff. expecting a 100 average from him this year. has a slight niggling injury at the moment but is running again :)

And yeh there aren't many rookie forwards the only real possibilities at the moment are Lee, Staker, Mayes, Simpson and Macaffer.

What i was trying to point out, is that your forward line does not contain one player that was in the top 8 scorers from last year :-\ you have a lot of speculative picks. While players like Wright, Walker (big if) Martin and Christensen look set to improve, what happens if Wright and Walker maintain there average only, Martin guns it and Christensen improves only a little (this is just an example) then you are waaaaaay behind the 8 ball. Knights also doesnt have the best injury history and if he goes down your going to have to make up so many points lost its not funny.

While DT is all about picking this value picks that gun it, you still need some proven scorers to keep you putting along nicely. I personally see Rockliff as a proven scorer and would definitely bring him in. not the greatest of years in 2012 and was all over the shop. but now with Martin, Brown, Berger, Cornelius, and their other back up ruck, forgot his name lol expect Rocky to go straight back to the middle and line up alongside Redden, Rich, Black and Moloney. Voss will be keen to get his midfield really dominating this year. Rocky may still have resting stints up forward, but he was a FF back in his junior days and can take a grab and will kick goals. expecting Rocky to go back to 105 or even more this year. I think youd be taking a huuuge risk not starting without him at this point in time.

Also talk of Embley being the super sub this year for eagles so one to watch

[tbagrocks]

Definitely a more solid team, just means the mid rookies need to boom to make Swablett reachable early enough :-\
It's probably a mistake to not have Rocky or Robbo at their prices, unfortunately i've had to drop Wright :-[
I still somehow want a midpriced young midfielder in there, also will look at Otten if named, that price is so delicious
Still thinking of a Caddy, Stevens, Swallow in the mid line


tbags rocks Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by tbagrocks. Salary cap left: $94,600.

Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Dyson Heppell, Paul Duffield, Jasper Pittard, Brett Goodes
Dean Terlich, Dylan Van Unen

Scott Pendlebury, Jack Redden, Patrick Dangerfield, Marc Murphy, Nathan Fyfe, Andrew Embley, Brad Crouch, Jaeger O'Meara
Nathan Hrovat, Jack Viney

Hamish McIntosh, Matthew Leuenberger
Max Gawn, Sam Rowe

Tom Rockliff, Mitch Robinson, Taylor Walker, Dustin Martin, Chris Knights, Travis Varcoe
Brent Staker, Tom Lee

[azza707]

Definitely a more solid team, just means the mid rookies need to boom to make Swablett reachable early enough :-\
It's probably a mistake to not have Rocky or Robbo at their prices, unfortunately i've had to drop Wright :-[
I still somehow want a midpriced young midfielder in there, also will look at Otten if named, that price is so delicious
Still thinking of a Caddy, Stevens, Swallow in the mid line


tbags rocks Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by tbagrocks. Salary cap left: $94,600.

Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Dyson Heppell, Paul Duffield, Jasper Pittard, Brett Goodes
Dean Terlich, Dylan Van Unen

Scott Pendlebury, Jack Redden, Patrick Dangerfield, Marc Murphy, Nathan Fyfe, Andrew Embley, Brad Crouch, Jaeger O'Meara
Nathan Hrovat, Jack Viney

Hamish McIntosh, Matthew Leuenberger
Max Gawn, Sam Rowe

Tom Rockliff, Mitch Robinson, Taylor Walker, Dustin Martin, Chris Knights, Travis Varcoe
Brent Staker, Tom Lee

I like that team a lot. Like it way better than the previous one. You could always drop Martin for Wright if one outdoes the other in preseason. Priced the same pretty much. McIntosh is an interesting ruck choice, good POD.

[tbagrocks]

I do like this better actually, Walker just has to be in there, especially if as I expect he averages 4 goals a game while leading up the groung playing true CHF

I still like my speculative picks, imo the top players averages have to come down in the early half of 2013

The ruck is as hard as the forwards, McEvoy, Goldy, Hmac at the ball winning club of Geelong, Sandi and even paying premium for Maric enters my thought pattern

Want to think that Knights, Otten and Russell will cut the 22 making them fantastic picks because of their ability to get the cod

The biggest locks for me are Pendles and Gibbs, like to say Robbo even Walker ::), and Duffman is a lock atm

What's the go with Murphy? Will he be tagged out of fantasy couculations and, is Jelwood worth another look at after I felt he failed me in 2012, can Andy Otten keep his place, will Dusty actually improve and is Fyfe worth it?

Please help me my fellow addicts of Dream Team :D, imo Dangerman gets fitter and becomes a premium, often I saw him at 50+ Dt and 20 possessions by half time.

[azza707]

I do like this better actually, Walker just has to be in there, especially if as I expect he averages 4 goals a game while leading up the groung playing true CHF

I still like my speculative picks, imo the top players averages have to come down in the early half of 2013

The ruck is as hard as the forwards, McEvoy, Goldy, Hmac at the ball winning club of Geelong, Sandi and even paying premium for Maric enters my thought pattern

Want to think that Knights, Otten and Russell will cut the 22 making them fantastic picks because of their ability to get the cod

The biggest locks for me are Pendles and Gibbs, like to say Robbo even Walker ::), and Duffman is a lock atm

What's the go with Murphy? Will he be tagged out of fantasy couculations and, is Jelwood worth another look at after I felt he failed me in 2012, can Andy Otten keep his place, will Dusty actually improve and is Fyfe worth it?

Please help me my fellow addicts of Dream Team :D, imo Dangerman gets fitter and becomes a premium, often I saw him at 50+ Dt and 20 possessions by half time.

Okay well here are my thoughts one what you've said.

Picking Walker is fine, you dont have to prove yourself to everyone about that. If you think he is going to smash it, then pick him. to be honest, i think Walker next year will be rivalling Buddy up until the last round for the coleman and will monster defenders in 2013. The stats show both him and crows play better without tippet. a lot of interstate supporters who care only about the own 22 players on their list fail to see the potential he has. but anyways what im trying to say is that, the Walker pick is fine, its just the overall structure of your team had me a bit worried before. With some of the inclusions you've made it looks better. Walker is an extremely risky pick as anything can happen realistically, so you needed to balance that risk out a bit.

The rucks are so hard this year. I have a plan. I seriously think im going to take Sandi from round 1, because despite injuries, he will be top 3 without a doubt. If he does get injured, with the 30 trades ill straight swap him to the next best premo ruck, and by having Sandi it gives me time to see who is the better option out of Maric/Jacobs/Mcevoy/Roughy etc etc.

Knights you would think would cut the 22, Otten well that depends on how Sando wants to line up his defence and Russell im not sure, not the biggest fan of him as a player, but collingwood have faith in him and hes been training well by all reports.

Agree with Pendles and Gibbs 100% youd be stupid to miss that boat. Also think Rockliff should be a lock. Duffman should be a lock if h plays sweeping HB role all year, but we know what Lyon is like. For all we know we could see Duffield line up at FF come round 1 for god knows what reason :P

I would be extremely confident in picking murphy. hes a gun and yes this attracts the tag, but 2 things. Ive noticed more and more than Murphy is an extremely smart player around the contests. He positions himself so well and is able to find space where not many others could and this helps him break the tag. 2 he is extremely quick both off the mark and at top speed, helping him to break away from the tag as well. At times last year, players like Kade Simpson were also tagged, and with Gibbs being put into the middle, you have to tag 2 of Judd/Murphy/Gibbs/Simpson even robbo not too many others so it gets a but hard sometimes. Another bug plus is that Malthouse really knows how to use his midfielders to the best of their ability and i think Carlton's mid will all thrive under his guidance.

Probably wouldnt go near Jelwood. Gellong's midfield is going through a bit of a transition, and the likes of him Kelly and Stevie J have to lead the brigade of youngsters. Yes Mcintosh is now there which may give him first use to the ball, but hes outside game is just not established enough to warrant picking him imo.

Apparently Dusty is killing it atm, and Deledio has taking Dusty under his wing, not to mention Choco williams is now down at richmond and his first goal was to try and set Martin straight. Look out for a big year, with all the focus on Cotchin/Deledio/Tuck. Foley back will also help. PLus recruits of Edwards and a fit Vickery may reduce his time spent forward a little. but that shouldn't worry you too much as the kid is a freak and scores pretty well when resting forward.

Tossing up between Fyfe/Barlow/Mundy. Apaprently Mundy is the one tearing up the track atm of the 3. wait til end of NAB and see which you seem to have take a liking to more.

[tbagrocks]

Great feedback mate really great stuff! Hope to see you posting on the DreamTeam board the next few months ;)

Walker for sure will challange for Col

Murphy imo gets the Molthouse effect and guns as does Gibbs, Rucks are hard man! for me I want Maric but with 30 trades, Sandi(had for my two years) Goldy, McEvoy or McIntosh at a great possession winning team

Cheers for the feedback