Permanent rolling lockout in 2013

[Holz]

The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.

flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!

towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.

[elephants]

The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.

flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!

towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.

I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\

[Holz]

The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.

flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!

towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.

I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\

I do to, but they wont so im looking at ways to exploit the rule as much as possible if it stays. The rule is designed to keep the general public in the game but it opens up a wide range of strategies that can be used to maximise your team.  To me a F/R who doesnt play is a really good strat, gives you the VC loophole and also if they play late could give you another shot of getting a good rookie early.

Say dogs play firday night. Stick the VC on Boyd and put Stringer on your forward bench. If Stringer is terrible and pulls out a 40 than Boyd does a 100 than just leave your guy on the bench. If Stringer comes out and get a 90 than put the F/R on and swing him into the forward line  if Boyd does his 100 than you dont put the C on the F/R if he goes berserk and gets 140 than put the captaincy on the F/R

you obviously cant do this all the time as your non playing R/F or your ruck in the forward line may play too early, but if you have nic nat/cox up front they normally play later in the round so they should be good. Than i would look for a non playing guy who is more likely going to play sunday games e.g. A roo player.

A kind of like that if you want to put alot of effort in looking at how to exploit the rule you can come up with some interesting ideas.

[Dudge]

The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.

flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!

towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.

I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\

I do to, but they wont so im looking at ways to exploit the rule as much as possible if it stays. The rule is designed to keep the general public in the game but it opens up a wide range of strategies that can be used to maximise your team.  To me a F/R who doesnt play is a really good strat, gives you the VC loophole and also if they play late could give you another shot of getting a good rookie early.

Say dogs play firday night. Stick the VC on Boyd and put Stringer on your forward bench. If Stringer is terrible and pulls out a 40 than Boyd does a 100 than just leave your guy on the bench. If Stringer comes out and get a 90 than put the F/R on and swing him into the forward line  if Boyd does his 100 than you dont put the C on the F/R if he goes berserk and gets 140 than put the captaincy on the F/R

you obviously cant do this all the time as your non playing R/F or your ruck in the forward line may play too early, but if you have nic nat/cox up front they normally play later in the round so they should be good. Than i would look for a non playing guy who is more likely going to play sunday games e.g. A roo player.

A kind of like that if you want to put alot of effort in looking at how to exploit the rule you can come up with some interesting ideas.

And thats the sad thing, for those who have commitments on weekends. Those coaches will miss out on all those interesting ideas

[The_Captain]

The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.

flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!

towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.

I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\

I do to, but they wont so im looking at ways to exploit the rule as much as possible if it stays. The rule is designed to keep the general public in the game but it opens up a wide range of strategies that can be used to maximise your team.  To me a F/R who doesnt play is a really good strat, gives you the VC loophole and also if they play late could give you another shot of getting a good rookie early.

Say dogs play firday night. Stick the VC on Boyd and put Stringer on your forward bench. If Stringer is terrible and pulls out a 40 than Boyd does a 100 than just leave your guy on the bench. If Stringer comes out and get a 90 than put the F/R on and swing him into the forward line  if Boyd does his 100 than you dont put the C on the F/R if he goes berserk and gets 140 than put the captaincy on the F/R

you obviously cant do this all the time as your non playing R/F or your ruck in the forward line may play too early, but if you have nic nat/cox up front they normally play later in the round so they should be good. Than i would look for a non playing guy who is more likely going to play sunday games e.g. A roo player.

A kind of like that if you want to put alot of effort in looking at how to exploit the rule you can come up with some interesting ideas.

Some great points here! This could stuff things up big time! basically The everyday dream teamer is at a disadvantage because they are not going to have any idea how this stuff works or can be exploited!

[dmac07]

The rollling lockout sucks. That's why we have the emgs. It wont happen often but lets say you have a def rookie (E) that scores 90 and you dont trust G Brought scoring, and who does. If broughts hasn't played yet just chuck on a non playing def and you have yourself a emg loophole.which in theory could be done on every line. It might pay to have 1 dpp player not guareenteed to play.

flowering stupid rule that may cause some casual but dedicated seasoned coaches to lose interest. I sure as hell wont be giving up my weekend to log on before every game. I love my DT but i love my life more!

towards the end of the season i can see this being a good strategy. Pick up a cheap non playing F/B and now with the 6 on field you pick 7 backs or forwards and essentially can take a gamble on a guy like Jroo sitting on the bench, if h kicks a bag he is in if not leave him out.

I sincerely hope that VS find a way to patch that :-\

I do to, but they wont so im looking at ways to exploit the rule as much as possible if it stays. The rule is designed to keep the general public in the game but it opens up a wide range of strategies that can be used to maximise your team.  To me a F/R who doesnt play is a really good strat, gives you the VC loophole and also if they play late could give you another shot of getting a good rookie early.

Say dogs play firday night. Stick the VC on Boyd and put Stringer on your forward bench. If Stringer is terrible and pulls out a 40 than Boyd does a 100 than just leave your guy on the bench. If Stringer comes out and get a 90 than put the F/R on and swing him into the forward line  if Boyd does his 100 than you dont put the C on the F/R if he goes berserk and gets 140 than put the captaincy on the F/R

you obviously cant do this all the time as your non playing R/F or your ruck in the forward line may play too early, but if you have nic nat/cox up front they normally play later in the round so they should be good. Than i would look for a non playing guy who is more likely going to play sunday games e.g. A roo player.

A kind of like that if you want to put alot of effort in looking at how to exploit the rule you can come up with some interesting ideas.

And thats the sad thing, for those who have commitments on weekends. Those coaches will miss out on all those interesting ideas

Yep, commitments here. It is already 100% decided that I cannot make top 5000 odd in the rankings, or have any chance at all to win any of my leagues, so probably won't enter the cash leagues with my mates next year or take it very seriously. Will still play but my interest has dropped significantly and will probably only sign on once or twice a week compared to the 10-20 I used to.. Ive given up hope for this year but severely hope they change it back next year or I may be lost to the game forever, which is sad :(

[Ringo]

Posted in the other thread but will also post here.

Will have no problems with the change of rules so long as the following additional stipulations are introduced as well to allow for players who are not on 24/7.
1. Captain and Vice Captainare locked on start of the Friday Night match
2. Emergencies are also locked at that time.

these 2 additions in my opinion will take away a lot of the loopholes and allow a relatively even playing field.  (Will not eliminate the emergency loop hole completely)

Personally not a fan of the rolling lock out but as it will be introduced would like to see above conditions made when introduced,

[monstrum]

So the only thing u can change during the rolling lockout would be to put an emergency in place of a player who ISNT named as C or VC...?

[Grazz]

Sympathise with you Dmac, our money League (Dudge, myself and mates) wil probably be suspended this season coming due to so many coaches being disadvantaged by a couple of the rule changes which is kinda sad as its one of my favourite leagues and theres nothing like beating your mates and having bragging rights for twelve months, the money means little just give me the trophy and the bragging rights. Hopefully it still goes ahead with just the trophy up for grabs. I also hope the things Ringo spoke of above do occur and limit the damage for alot of coaches.

[GM]

Will there be a trading lockout on fri night?
If not, this would be my major concern.Especially with league finals and the eliminator.

[T Dog]

Posted in the other thread but will also post here.

Will have no problems with the change of rules so long as the following additional stipulations are introduced as well to allow for players who are not on 24/7.
1. Captain and Vice Captainare locked on start of the Friday Night match
2. Emergencies are also locked at that time.

these 2 additions in my opinion will take away a lot of the loopholes and allow a relatively even playing field.  (Will not eliminate the emergency loop hole completely)

Personally not a fan of the rolling lock out but as it will be introduced would like to see above conditions made when introduced,

You make a lot of sense here ringo.. 8)

[Ziplock]

I cant see them locking emergencies, that'd defeat the purpose of the rolling lockout- it's basically there to counter the sub vest, and if your emergencies are locked, and you find out one of your starting field is green vested, it means you'll have to play your non-first choice reserve it that makes sense.

the loopholes aren't mostly because of the emergencies though... they exist because you cna change the fielded players around, not the emergencies.

[Ringo]

I will use myself as an example as to why I do not like rolling lock out.

Been a strong supporter of Lions (no surprises there) and with the NEAFL draw our reserves will be playing most times  in the afternoon at Coorparoo prior to the Senior games.  Do not have Iphone or mobile device and why should I be forced to getting something I do not need and can live with out just to control my SC team.

So when I go to reserves games at midday or earlier then I will have no option to change around my players for possibly all Saturday games.  This is the reason I would like Captain, VC, emergencies and trades locked at first bounce of the Friday night game. This imo would have less of an effect overall for the competition then the loopholes.

Just trying to sort out how to even the playing field for those who can not be on 24/7 due to other commitments and having a life.

basically as has been pointed out advertising revenue is the bottom line and no one will be able to convince me otherwise.

[Grazz]

Agreed i think zip is closer to the mark as much as id like Ringo to be correct i cant see it happening otherwise what is the point of a rolling lockout. I hope it's possible to have Cpt and VC locked in Friday nights atleast but even that is doubtful who knows we may get lucky on this front or in time we will as i can see alot of flack coming from the Cpt/Vc loophole this year towards the powers to be.

[Il_Santo]

Isn't it the case that in order to take advantage of the captain loophole every week you would need to field a non-playing rookie every week?

This wasn't a problem on the few occasions there were partial lockouts in 2012 because you generally had a non-playing rookie somewhere on your lines and could use them to exploit the loophole.

But in order to exploit the loophole every week in 2013 you would need to deliberately select a rookie who you were reasonably confident would not play throughout the course of the season. As the captain loophole is most often used with midfield players (as they are the highest scoring), it would have to be a midfield rookie.

So rather than picking midfield rookies who will get games, fatten up and get downgraded to others on the bubble for cash (or upgraded to premiums), we now have a situation where coaches might deliberately pick a midfield rookie who will spend 2013 in the reserves (jeopardising their emergency cover, in part) for the sake of an extra 30-50 points a week.

Is it really worth it? Surely there's better value in an Ablett permacaptain and a playing midfield bench, with the captain loophole only resorted to if your rookies happen to miss games?