Permanent rolling lockout in 2013

[nrich102]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?

The more you think about this the more there is to consider.

The rule is an absolute frickin joke.

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[PowerBug]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

That is not entirely true. Because you can't trade out the rookie who's team plays friday night for the premium who plays on Sunday after the Friday night game. Trading on Friday will still be occuring, just not as often. :)

[dmac07]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

That is not entirely true. Because you can't trade out the rookie who's team plays friday night for the premium who plays on Sunday after the Friday night game. Trading on Friday will still be occuring, just not as often. :)

Yes but to trade effectively you still really need to be able to get on to trade friday evenings, Saturday mornings, Saturday night's, Sunday days and arvos for late games in order to wait till the last moment to make your trades, or change tour emergencies at last minute to account for subs, or to use your vice-captain loophole, or swap bench players on the field. Between all these factors you really need to be on at all these times every single week to remain relevant with these rule changes. Whereas before you just had to come on friday afternoons/evenings. I work friday nights but still managed to make trades late friday arvo, usually missing the subs for that one game, but being equal with everything one else in regard to the other 8 games a round.

[PowerBug]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

That is not entirely true. Because you can't trade out the rookie who's team plays friday night for the premium who plays on Sunday after the Friday night game. Trading on Friday will still be occuring, just not as often. :)

Yes but to trade effectively you still really need to be able to get on to trade friday evenings, Saturday mornings, Saturday night's, Sunday days and arvos for late games in order to wait till the last moment to make your trades, or change tour emergencies at last minute to account for subs, or to use your vice-captain loophole, or swap bench players on the field. Between all these factors you really need to be on at all these times every single week to remain relevant with these rule changes. Whereas before you just had to come on friday afternoons/evenings. I work friday nights but still managed to make trades late friday arvo, usually missing the subs for that one game, but being equal with everything one else in regard to the other 8 games a round.

There is no rule saying that if you are making a trade involving two players who play on Sunday that the trade has to be done on Sunday. ;) I'm against the rule change aswell and i signed the petition, but people are making it seem that they are now forced to log on during the weekends, which is not the case. Late withdrawls won't be much of a problem, once again i tihnk this has been talked up as a major problem way to much.

Still get rid of the rule though, the game was running fine without it. :P

[Nails]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?

The more you think about this the more there is to consider.

The rule is an absolute frickin joke.

Your whole first paragraph isn't really that relevant w/ the Heath Shaw lockout eradicating most issues there anyway.

You can trade Monday and still reverse on like Saturday I imagine if no players involved have lined up...

[Speculator]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?

The more you think about this the more there is to consider.

The rule is an absolute frickin joke.

Your whole first paragraph isn't really that relevant w/ the Heath Shaw lockout eradicating most issues there anyway.

You can trade Monday and still reverse on like Saturday I imagine if no players involved have lined up...

That's not how the reversible trade (Heath Shaw rule) operated in 2012. Once the first game of the weekend had commenced you could not reverse any trades even if the trade involved 2 players who were playing on the Sunday. I know because I thought you could and got nailed. I was locked into a trade that I did not wish to go through with. I could still move players around but could not reverse the trade. So assuming that the rule operates in the same way in 2013, you are best advised to delay your trade until the latest possible moment.

Here's an example:

Collingwood play Melbourne on Queens Birthday on a Monday. You plan to trade out Viney and bring in Pendlebury. And you do the trade on Friday night. Then you get to Saturday night and Selwood is a late out in the Geelong v Gold Coast game and you are facing a donut (and a loss of 110 points). You are screwed! Now consider this. Instead of making the Viney/Pendlebury trade on Friday you wait until the optimal moment to pull the trigger being Monday arvo. You hear that Selwood is out on Saturday night, you can now abandon your planned Viney/Pendlebury upgrade trade in favour of say a Selwood to Swan trade. You have saved yourself a donut by delaying your trade to the last possible moment.

The implication of this is that once you have decided what trades you are going to make, you must then also decide WHEN to pull the trigger, taking into account things like what are your plans for the weekend and how will they impact your ability to pull the trigger at the latest possible moment. It may well be that you have no choice but to trade on Friday because you are catching a plane to Thailand, and then you are at a disadvantage to the bloke who plans to make the same trade but can wait until Monday to do so.

[Speculator]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

That is not entirely true. Because you can't trade out the rookie who's team plays friday night for the premium who plays on Sunday after the Friday night game. Trading on Friday will still be occuring, just not as often. :)

Yes but to trade effectively you still really need to be able to get on to trade friday evenings, Saturday mornings, Saturday night's, Sunday days and arvos for late games in order to wait till the last moment to make your trades, or change tour emergencies at last minute to account for subs, or to use your vice-captain loophole, or swap bench players on the field. Between all these factors you really need to be on at all these times every single week to remain relevant with these rule changes. Whereas before you just had to come on friday afternoons/evenings. I work friday nights but still managed to make trades late friday arvo, usually missing the subs for that one game, but being equal with everything one else in regard to the other 8 games a round.

There is no rule saying that if you are making a trade involving two players who play on Sunday that the trade has to be done on Sunday. ;) I'm against the rule change aswell and i signed the petition, but people are making it seem that they are now forced to log on during the weekends, which is not the case. Late withdrawls won't be much of a problem, once again i tihnk this has been talked up as a major problem way to much.

Still get rid of the rule though, the game was running fine without it. :P

You are right that there is no rule compelling you to trade on the Sunday. You can indeed still trade on the Friday 2 players who are playing on Sunday. My point is that you are disadvantaging yourself by doing so. If you wait until Sunday to make the trade you are fully utilising the new rule to gain maximum value for your team and, more importantly, you are not putting yourself at a disadvantage to the bloke who delays his trade until Sunday, because he will be able to cope with late changes (by trading) while you will no longer have that option available to you.

[Ziplock]

actually, you'd be a flowering idiot to wait until sunday to make the trades. How many teams play on sunday, like 6 normally? that means you'll have 12 teams, 2/3 of the players available, locked out by sunday, limiting both the players you can trade out, and trade in, meaning if you wait until sunday you'll only be able to do about 11% of the trades you might have wanted to do throughout the week.

[j959]

Has anyone seen any news on how 'Heath Shaw' rule will 'work' for rolling lock-outs?

I see some thoughts in the post chain but I haven't seen any indications from 'official' articles ...

[dmac07]

actually, you'd be a flowering idiot to wait until sunday to make the trades. How many teams play on sunday, like 6 normally? that means you'll have 12 teams, 2/3 of the players available, locked out by sunday, limiting both the players you can trade out, and trade in, meaning if you wait until sunday you'll only be able to do about 11% of the trades you might have wanted to do throughout the week.

The point is that if he player you plan on trading out, and the one you plan on trading in both play on Sunday, you wait utill then. If one plays sat night, one Sunday, you wait untill then. That way, if the trade you planned on making friday night won't work as one of the players pulls out, or you have a late withdrawal elsewhere you can look after that instead. This severely disadvantages those of us who lock in our trades on friday night. Even if it only disadvantages us once each 2-3 weeks, this is still 8-10 times we get screwed over. If each one costs you say 60-90 points, your pushing up to 1000 points down over the season. So your overall ranking is wrecked, and it will cost you maybe 2-3 league games, meaning your league chances may well be wrecked too.

[henry]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?

The more you think about this the more there is to consider.

The rule is an absolute frickin joke.

Your whole first paragraph isn't really that relevant w/ the Heath Shaw lockout eradicating most issues there anyway.

You can trade Monday and still reverse on like Saturday I imagine if no players involved have lined up...

That's not how the reversible trade (Heath Shaw rule) operated in 2012. Once the first game of the weekend had commenced you could not reverse any trades even if the trade involved 2 players who were playing on the Sunday. I know because I thought you could and got nailed. I was locked into a trade that I did not wish to go through with. I could still move players around but could not reverse the trade. So assuming that the rule operates in the same way in 2013, you are best advised to delay your trade until the latest possible moment.

Here's an example:

Collingwood play Melbourne on Queens Birthday on a Monday. You plan to trade out Viney and bring in Pendlebury. And you do the trade on Friday night. Then you get to Saturday night and Selwood is a late out in the Geelong v Gold Coast game and you are facing a donut (and a loss of 110 points). You are screwed! Now consider this. Instead of making the Viney/Pendlebury trade on Friday you wait until the optimal moment to pull the trigger being Monday arvo. You hear that Selwood is out on Saturday night, you can now abandon your planned Viney/Pendlebury upgrade trade in favour of say a Selwood to Swan trade. You have saved yourself a donut by delaying your trade to the last possible moment.

The implication of this is that once you have decided what trades you are going to make, you must then also decide WHEN to pull the trigger, taking into account things like what are your plans for the weekend and how will they impact your ability to pull the trigger at the latest possible moment. It may well be that you have no choice but to trade on Friday because you are catching a plane to Thailand, and then you are at a disadvantage to the bloke who plans to make the same trade but can wait until Monday to do so.

Surely you wouldn't be able to trade Selwood out 2 days after his match has finished though, as the scores from the match would be locked in and you would have to take the 0. It is the same situation as not being able to trade on sunday to a player who has already played their match for the round.

[tbagrocks]

So how many of the 200 000+ Coaches will actually get this rule right to use the advantage? Or how many will get it wrong and be disadvantaged? Stupid rule made by stupid people :P

[Nails]

It's quite funny though... because if i recall correctly (and I always do) there was a huge outcry for this amongst the vast majority of dreamteamers/supercoachers when it was brought in from getting stabbed in the back by late withdrawals.

Poor virtual sports. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Justin Bieber]

So how many of the 200 000+ Coaches will actually get this rule right to use the advantage? Or how many will get it wrong and be disadvantaged? Stupid rule made by stupid people :P

Why are you calling yourself stupid?

[Speculator]

Do you guys realise that there is no longer any motivation to trade on friday night. In fact you will be disadvantaged by doing so.  In this new paradigm you will gain the optimum advantage by delaying your trade until the last poossible moment. This way you ensure that the player being traded in is not a late withdrawal. Plus if there is a late withdrawal to one of your players who was not going to be part of your original trade you can abandon your original plan and attend to the late withdrawal of the player who was not part of your original trade plan.

So now you need to decide two things each week.
1. What are your trades going to be (Plan A)
2. When during the weekend will you make these trades?

The more you think about this the more there is to consider.

The rule is an absolute frickin joke.

Your whole first paragraph isn't really that relevant w/ the Heath Shaw lockout eradicating most issues there anyway.

You can trade Monday and still reverse on like Saturday I imagine if no players involved have lined up...

That's not how the reversible trade (Heath Shaw rule) operated in 2012. Once the first game of the weekend had commenced you could not reverse any trades even if the trade involved 2 players who were playing on the Sunday. I know because I thought you could and got nailed. I was locked into a trade that I did not wish to go through with. I could still move players around but could not reverse the trade. So assuming that the rule operates in the same way in 2013, you are best advised to delay your trade until the latest possible moment.

Here's an example:

Collingwood play Melbourne on Queens Birthday on a Monday. You plan to trade out Viney and bring in Pendlebury. And you do the trade on Friday night. Then you get to Saturday night and Selwood is a late out in the Geelong v Gold Coast game and you are facing a donut (and a loss of 110 points). You are screwed! Now consider this. Instead of making the Viney/Pendlebury trade on Friday you wait until the optimal moment to pull the trigger being Monday arvo. You hear that Selwood is out on Saturday night, you can now abandon your planned Viney/Pendlebury upgrade trade in favour of say a Selwood to Swan trade. You have saved yourself a donut by delaying your trade to the last possible moment.

The implication of this is that once you have decided what trades you are going to make, you must then also decide WHEN to pull the trigger, taking into account things like what are your plans for the weekend and how will they impact your ability to pull the trigger at the latest possible moment. It may well be that you have no choice but to trade on Friday because you are catching a plane to Thailand, and then you are at a disadvantage to the bloke who plans to make the same trade but can wait until Monday to do so.

Surely you wouldn't be able to trade Selwood out 2 days after his match has finished though, as the scores from the match would be locked in and you would have to take the 0. It is the same situation as not being able to trade on sunday to a player who has already played their match for the round.

Well ofcourse you won't be able to trade Selwood out on the Monday if he played on Saturday, my point is if you delay your Viney/Pendlebury trade until the latest possible moment you would be able to avoid the Selwood late withdrawal ON SATURDAY NIGHT by trading in Swan (and abandoning your Pendlebury/Viney trade which you were planning to to on Monday), however if you had made the Viney/Pendlebury trade on Friday (instead of waiting until the last possible moment) you would be stuck with it, no longer with the option of changing your trade plans mid-round.