Permanent rolling lockout in 2013

dmac07 · November 30, 2012, 03:53:14 PM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/supercoach-news/new-rules-for-supercoach-in-2013-include-extra-trades-free-draft-game-and-rolling-lockout/story-fn88c7kz-1226526669356

Supercoach changes for 2013, thought I would provide a base for discussions as I havent seen one here as yet but I may be wrong.

MAJOR CHANGES

Positional Make Up - Every team will now have 2 extra midfielders, taking the total to 8. There will be a decrease in Forwards and Defenders by one to six of each.

Rolling Lock Out - There will be a rolling lockout so you change players up to the last minute for all games that are yet to be played (see my rant below for my thoughts on this)

Emergencies - There will be an additional emergency allowed, with the new total allowed being 4.

Trades - There will be an increase to 30 trades.

WHY FIX IT IF IT ISN'T BROKEN?

The structure change and the extra changes I can deal with.

The possible Captain loophole nearly every round if things work out for your team? Surely they must lock in VC and C before the first game.

And the rolling lockout? As someone who works on weekends and can't access a computer straight before games to change my side due to late changes, this leaves me pretty much screwed. Ill probably miss out on the ability the make 20 odd late changes to my side throughout the year. This therefore rules me out of the competition completely before it has even started!!! Surely there are other people in the same boat? Either those who work or play footy on a Saturday or Sunday? Basically those can sit on supercoach all weekend every weekend can win it, those of us who only have access to a computer before one or two games a week, well why even bother? NOT HAPPY! End rant.

Fletch74 · November 30, 2012, 04:00:11 PM

Quote from: dmac07 on November 30, 2012, 03:53:14 PM
The possible Captain loophole nearly every round if things work out for your team? Surely they must lock in VC and C before the first game.

And the rolling lockout? As someone who works on weekends and can't access a computer straight before games to change my side due to late changes, this leaves me pretty much screwed. Ill probably miss out on the ability the make 20 odd late changes to my side throughout the year. This therefore rules me out of the competition completely before it has even started!!! Surely there are other people in the same boat? Either those who work or play footy on a Saturday or Sunday? Basically those can sit on supercoach all weekend every weekend can win it, those of us who only have access to a computer before one or two games a week, well why even bother? NOT HAPPY! End rant.

The first part sounds nice, but after that not so nice.

I have commitments on the weekend, as I'm sure many of us do, that puts me behind the eight ball. The purpose for this change is commercial, but it will deter a lot of people from even signing up in the first place...

It sucks!!

dmac07 · November 30, 2012, 04:05:13 PM

Quote from: Fletch74 on November 30, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on November 30, 2012, 03:53:14 PM
The possible Captain loophole nearly every round if things work out for your team? Surely they must lock in VC and C before the first game.

And the rolling lockout? As someone who works on weekends and can't access a computer straight before games to change my side due to late changes, this leaves me pretty much screwed. Ill probably miss out on the ability the make 20 odd late changes to my side throughout the year. This therefore rules me out of the competition completely before it has even started!!! Surely there are other people in the same boat? Either those who work or play footy on a Saturday or Sunday? Basically those can sit on supercoach all weekend every weekend can win it, those of us who only have access to a computer before one or two games a week, well why even bother? NOT HAPPY! End rant.
The first part sounds nice, but after that not so nice.

I have commitments on the weekend, as I'm sure many of us do, that puts me behind the eight ball. The purpose for this change is commercial, but it will deter a lot of people from even signing up in the first place...

It sucks!!

Exactly, people have to sign on more often, they see more adds, the paper can charge more for advertising. However, if I miss out on 10-20 changes during the year, equating to say 1000-2000 points, well put simply I can't win or even compete. I would say 20%+ of people would be in the same boat andwith this change it gives us zero chance in overall, or in any league where there are people who can change their team all weekend!

If this is how it will work supercoach is pretty much ruined for me! Big call but true. I know he chances of any individual winning it are tiny, but if you have zero chance before the first game of the season... well my motivation is ruined!

Dudge · November 30, 2012, 05:16:30 PM

Well the change of a rolling lockout sucks. There will be many people this will disadvantage. I for one work most saturdays, and on sunday i go to my lads soccer. That is a huge disadvantage, compared to someone who sits in front of his laptop all day. Before people go on about smart phones, don't have one' don't want one. May have to give supercoach a rest, and concentrate on dream/team and sports bet next year. I do beleive this will put alot of people off. As far as i'm concerned, this has ruined s/c . PS the other rules are ok. Not a happy chappy

Ringo · November 30, 2012, 06:35:38 PM

Do not see why we need the rolling lock out with the introduction of 4 emergencies. Most of the time this year it was late ruck withdrawals that hurt most. Now with the availability of a ruck emergency that is covered.
Thought that was the reason for emergencies originally to cover late outs so why have emergencies if we have a rolling lock out.
Like you Dudge I do not have a smart phones and when I go to Lions home games if I become aware of late changes do not have the opportunity to change,
This change will ruin SC in favour of those who have 24 hrs access to change.
Not sure whether with a rolling lock out when we will have the trade embargo. This year when we had partial lock outs it was usually on the Friday Night so with the new rules can we trade up till the Sunday Twilight game if necessary.
Not happy with this rule either as it takes the skill out of the game. We will see scores escalate as well with loop holes being taken advantage of.
I will probably continue playing as I only do SC but as Fletch says motivation will be an issue with the introduction of this flower rolling lock out.

Capper · November 30, 2012, 06:41:28 PM

Do not trust i-phones or smart phones to do alte trades, anything can happen.

I too am not a fan of the the rolling lockout BUT if the rolling lockout means that you cant rade over the weekend once the first game has started then thats ok for me. 30 trades is way too many, IMO they are trying to make it too easy for people to play.

Justin Bieber · November 30, 2012, 07:07:42 PM

I'm not against it, but if you want to win then your social life is thrown away.

Ziplock · November 30, 2012, 07:20:12 PM

flower yeah. I'm gonna win.

Dudge · November 30, 2012, 07:21:25 PM

Quote from: whatlez on November 30, 2012, 07:07:42 PM
I'm not against it, but if you want to win then your social life is thrown away.

Agree Lez, but why not leave it as it was, and then we can have a social/ work life, and still have a chance of winning. Sucks

Justin Bieber · November 30, 2012, 07:26:03 PM

Quote from: Ziplock on November 30, 2012, 07:20:12 PM
flower yeah. I'm gonna win.

No I will :P I have no life.

Windigo · November 30, 2012, 07:32:15 PM

Flower, gunna have to buy a phone now FFS.

Spite · November 30, 2012, 08:23:17 PM

Quote from: Windigo on November 30, 2012, 07:32:15 PM
Flower, gunna have to buy a phone now FFS.

Yeah me too, I don't have internet on my phone!

dmac07 · November 30, 2012, 08:29:28 PM

Unfortunately the phone apps are buggy and don't always work. Plus I can't just interrupt a client 3 or 4 times on a Sunday to check my side for ten minutes and make changes. I know its designed to get people on more but when ou lose a game because your opponents can sit on it all day and you can't, seriously considering just giving up on it. This coming from someone who is obsessed and would usually log on 20-30 times a week. Will not get a digital pass again either.

Dudge · November 30, 2012, 10:38:14 PM

Quote from: dmac07 on November 30, 2012, 08:29:28 PM
Unfortunately the phone apps are buggy and don't always work. Plus I can't just interrupt a client 3 or 4 times on a Sunday to check my side for ten minutes and make changes. I know its designed to get people on more but when ou lose a game because your opponents can sit on it all day and you can't, seriously considering just giving up on it. This coming from someone who is obsessed and would usually log on 20-30 times a week. Will not get a digital pass again either.

Mate feel the same sadly. People got to realise, i've got no personal vendetta, just don't think this rule is doing d/t-s/c-sb any justice

Mr.Craig · December 01, 2012, 12:01:48 AM

Usually it wasn't a problem but a couple of times during the year it took me 4+ hours just to log on. The site tended to struggle during high traffic periods and if that costs me points then there'll be some serious nerd rage going on. :P

I'm in that top percentage of high end users that will be advantaged by the rule change (except during the 2 weekends of the first round where I won't have internet access :'() but even I think it's beyond silly. There was something great about that moment when the lockout ticked over and you knew your fate was in the hands of the DT Gods.

Nothing has been confirmed yet (at least as far as DT is concerned). I still have a glimmer of hope that VS will use some common sense.