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Crows 'tamper' affair

Started by Jay, October 24, 2012, 08:50:19 AM

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Cruiseon

I think Adelaide are in serious trouble.

AFEV

Quote from: tbagrocks on November 15, 2012, 10:35:39 PM
So lets just check all the clubs to see what comes up, and if Adelaide is the only club to be "cheating" I'll leave ff ;)
Difference being other clubs are reporting it to the AFLPA/AFL.

:-X

Tominator

Quote from: Sid on November 15, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on November 15, 2012, 10:35:39 PM
So lets just check all the clubs to see what comes up, and if Adelaide is the only club to be "cheating" I'll leave ff ;)
Difference being other clubs are reporting it to the AFLPA/AFL.

:-X

Crows reported it to the AFL because they knew they were gonna be found out

Are other clubs also saying they are guilty of things like this? Is that what you mean by your statement?

AFEV

Quote from: Tominator on November 15, 2012, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Sid on November 15, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on November 15, 2012, 10:35:39 PM
So lets just check all the clubs to see what comes up, and if Adelaide is the only club to be "cheating" I'll leave ff ;)
Difference being other clubs are reporting it to the AFLPA/AFL.

:-X

Crows reported it to the AFL because they knew they were gonna be found out

Are other clubs also saying they are guilty of things like this? Is that what you mean by your statement?
No.

Other clubs lodge their 3rd party deals with the AFLPA. Straight up they have to say their player is going to be receiving some kind of income from somebody other than the club.

Adelaide tried to hide the Tippett deal, then were (about) to be found out and decided to come clean.

Different scenarios.

Ziplock

I think he means other clubs are reporting 3rd party payments

like 'chris judd is getting x amount by working for visy'

AFEV

Quote from: Ziplock on November 15, 2012, 11:04:47 PM
I think he means other clubs are reporting 3rd party payments

like 'chris judd is getting x amount by working for visy'
Pretty much. While a lot of people didn't like the Judd deal it was all above board so it's fine. The Tippett (and potentially NVB) deal/s however...

Ziplock

if you're hiding something, it's because you've got something to hide.

tbagrocks

Quote from: Ziplock on November 15, 2012, 11:10:49 PM
if you're hiding something, it's because you've got something to hide.
I'm a betting man, I'll bet that most profesional sporting clubs including the other 17 AFL clubs have something to hide ;)

AFEV

Quote from: tbagrocks on November 15, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on November 15, 2012, 11:10:49 PM
if you're hiding something, it's because you've got something to hide.
I'm a betting man, I'll bet that most profesional sporting clubs including the other 17 AFL clubs have something to hide ;)
I'll take this bet.

Assuming that by 'something to hide' we're referring to salary breaches and/or tanking. Pretty sure there's an honest club out there...somewhere...maybe. :P

Ziplock

I'd bet the giants aren't pulling this shower :P

but that's cause us sydney-siders are more honest than you adelaide scum :P

tbagrocks

Quote from: Sid on November 15, 2012, 11:14:44 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on November 15, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on November 15, 2012, 11:10:49 PM
if you're hiding something, it's because you've got something to hide.
I'm a betting man, I'll bet that most profesional sporting clubs including the other 17 AFL clubs have something to hide ;)
I'll take this bet.

Assuming that by 'something to hide' we're referring to salary breaches and/or tanking. Pretty sure there's an honest club out there...somewhere...maybe. :P
Hmmm well ok I'm not betting with you Alex, but Zippy bring it, Sydney have more to lose than almost anyone (GWS the other) and how were they going to pay that trader a mil? :o As if GWS don't have agreements lined up, what was the spud Skully paid for the first year :o

Yeah we (Adelaide fc) are in mighty trouble but guess what! We don't need any further players to add to win Premierships, in fact we are delisting players we actually want to keep :-\ Only one spud left at Adelaide and we feel sorry for Tambling (but not his bank account)

Ziplock

mate, we didnt need to pay our first year players squat- we made up the rest of our cap by front loading our contracts- it's a completely viable, and legal method of tying up the required 92.5% of the salary cap.

unlike just breaching it. 

Tominator

Quote from: Sid on November 15, 2012, 11:03:41 PM
Quote from: Tominator on November 15, 2012, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Sid on November 15, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on November 15, 2012, 10:35:39 PM
So lets just check all the clubs to see what comes up, and if Adelaide is the only club to be "cheating" I'll leave ff ;)
Difference being other clubs are reporting it to the AFLPA/AFL.

:-X

Crows reported it to the AFL because they knew they were gonna be found out

Are other clubs also saying they are guilty of things like this? Is that what you mean by your statement?
No.

Other clubs lodge their 3rd party deals with the AFLPA. Straight up they have to say their player is going to be receiving some kind of income from somebody other than the club.

Adelaide tried to hide the Tippett deal, then were (about) to be found out and decided to come clean.

Different scenarios.

why were the Crows trying to hide these third-party deals then? Would there have been a problem with the AFLPA if they told the AFL straight up? Seems very odd to me and just when I thought I'd got my head around it I now don't...

AFEV

Quote from: Tominator on November 15, 2012, 11:32:16 PM
Quote from: Sid on November 15, 2012, 11:03:41 PM
Quote from: Tominator on November 15, 2012, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Sid on November 15, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on November 15, 2012, 10:35:39 PM
So lets just check all the clubs to see what comes up, and if Adelaide is the only club to be "cheating" I'll leave ff ;)
Difference being other clubs are reporting it to the AFLPA/AFL.

:-X

Crows reported it to the AFL because they knew they were gonna be found out

Are other clubs also saying they are guilty of things like this? Is that what you mean by your statement?
No.

Other clubs lodge their 3rd party deals with the AFLPA. Straight up they have to say their player is going to be receiving some kind of income from somebody other than the club.

Adelaide tried to hide the Tippett deal, then were (about) to be found out and decided to come clean.

Different scenarios.

why were the Crows trying to hide these third-party deals then? Would there have been a problem with the AFLPA if they told the AFL straight up? Seems very odd to me and just when I thought I'd got my head around it I now don't...
The AFLPA probably would have said not to do it because it isn't actually a sponsorship deal or a second job or anything like that.

The Crows have hidden it because they were just giving Tippett extra cash on the side, no legitimacy to the payments at all.


tbagrocks

Quote from: Ziplock on November 15, 2012, 11:31:49 PM
mate, we didnt need to pay our first year players squat- we made up the rest of our cap by front loading our contracts- it's a completely viable, and legal method of tying up the required 92.5% of the salary cap.

unlike just breaching it.
Will be fun when, not in two years but four-five, when these kids all want a decent contract! Watch a bunch of top players do an Israel and exodus for more money ;D