Crows 'tamper' affair

[Ziplock]

ok, ummm, that one would go to supreme court, and ummmmmm I really don't think anyone would have a problem with it either....

[Grazz]

grazz, calm your farm. I can guarantee that if you were barred from seeking employment in your occupation for a year because your employer screwed you, that you would take it to court.

In the outside (not AFL) world where we all work of course i would. I'm talking from purely a sporting perspective i'm not flipping back and forth from the world we operate under compared to the rules AFL players are under so i can mount an argument.

Tippett is as guilty as all parties involved, he would of been 100% aware that what he was signing was entirely illegal as did his manager as did the Crows. To then say well i'll go to the Supreme Court knowing full well it operates under different guidelines to the AFL  and advantages your case is weak as p*+s  when under the rules you agreed to abide and play by does not. Personally i would be to embarrassed to look anyone in the eye and have a pretty low opinion of myself if i did, but when it comes down to money it appears the Tippetts their lawyers have no shame.

That's my honest opinion i'm not going around just throwing petrol on the fire and standing back enjoying the carnage it causes like some because they have a deep seated dislike of the state and the teams that reside in it. Im just trying to add to the debate not inflame it.

Edit: you keep throwing this "Employer screwed him" rubbish up which is just absolute garbage and you only do it because you know its annoying.
The AFL would have issues with the Supreme court so would the clubs and i think you under estimate how the general population who follow footy would feel about it. Your advocating  breaking the AFL rules because if you get caught you can just go to court and be reinstated without any problems or punishment so why have any rules in the 1st place just let everyone do as they want and i am only commentating here on the Tippett Crows scenario.

[Chopps]

So he should take his manager to court also for allowing him to sign a dodgy contract but I bet that doesn't happen. If people outside of the afl know you can't sign those contracts  surely a player with sports management does also.

He agreed to abide by afl rules so he was eligible for this employment he the crows and velocity sports are all at fault although it seems only the crows are. Yes they should of never offered it but velocity sports should of also stopped it and tippet wasn't held at gun point to sign.

I wonder if in 09 when it was offered any other club would of offered 800 a year? If that info is correct based on his earnings isn't he better off bar the issue now due to the dodge contract

[Grazz]

So he should take his manager to court also for allowing him to sign a dodgy contract but I bet that doesn't happen. If people outside of the afl know you can't sign those contracts  surely a player with sports management does also.

He agreed to abide by afl rules so he was eligible for this employment he the crows and velocity sports are all at fault although it seems only the crows are. Yes they should of never offered it but velocity sports should of also stopped it and tippet wasn't held at gun point to sign.

I wonder if in 09 when it was offered any other club would of offered 800 a year? If that info is correct based on his earnings isn't he better off bar the issue now due to the dodge contract

+1 to this.

[Ziplock]

So he should take his manager to court also for allowing him to sign a dodgy contract but I bet that doesn't happen. If people outside of the afl know you can't sign those contracts  surely a player with sports management does also.

He agreed to abide by afl rules so he was eligible for this employment he the crows and velocity sports are all at fault although it seems only the crows are. Yes they should of never offered it but velocity sports should of also stopped it and tippet wasn't held at gun point to sign.

I wonder if in 09 when it was offered any other club would of offered 800 a year? If that info is correct based on his earnings isn't he better off bar the issue now due to the dodge contract

hey, I wouldn't have known that this contract was illegal- all most none of us did and that's why so many people were saying saying adelaide should honour the gentlemans agreement.

The contract itself isn't illegal- it's the fact that aspects of it wasn't presented to the afl that makes it a breach of the rules, I know that would be a club responsibility, but I'm not sure if it would be the players responsibility as well.

The fact that tippett and his lawyers were constantly saying that adelaide should honour their agreement makes me think that it's possible that tippett didnt know the whole contract had been signed off by the afl- of course that's presuming the player has  responsibility to take the contract to the afl, and it's all the clubs prerogative. 

The clubs going to cop a fine and lose picks- you want an equivalent fine for a player, he should have to pay a few hundred thousand over the next few years as a fine. That's an appropriate punishment. Deregistering him isn't, and it won't happen.

There's even a precedent, once again, with the carlton cap breach- no individual player was punished, only the club. 

[Grazz]

Id prefer to see the player left out it except for missing x amount a games as punishment if he willingly was part of an illegal act.
The club should be the one to wear a fine and loss of draft picks etc. The managers should be fined also as there is no other way to do it without involving innocent parties that he may also look after but if the manager is continually found to be involved in shady dealings then deregestering is and should be an option.

[PowerBug]

Do what the NRL did to the Melbourne Storm and make every game they play next season count for nothing. :P

That way Melbourne, GWS, GC and Port can win a match. :P

[tbagrocks]

Adelaide does not have to delist a player now as Brad Crouch is not used as a draft pick but a player traded in.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-must-delist-a-wanted-man-due-to-the-kurt-tippett-saga/story-e6freck3-1226504878477

[Ziplock]

Id prefer to see the player left out it except for missing x amount a games as punishment if he willingly was part of an illegal act.
The club should be the one to wear a fine and loss of draft picks etc. The managers should be fined also as there is no other way to do it without involving innocent parties that he may also look after but if the manager is continually found to be involved in shady dealings then deregestering is and should be an option.

if tippetts gets deregistered for a year, adelaide should be banned from the afl for a year.

[Grazz]

Id prefer to see the player left out it except for missing x amount a games as punishment if he willingly was part of an illegal act.
The club should be the one to wear a fine and loss of draft picks etc. The managers should be fined also as there is no other way to do it without involving innocent parties that he may also look after but if the manager is continually found to be involved in shady dealings then deregestering is and should be an option.

if tippetts gets deregistered for a year, adelaide should be banned from the afl for a year.

I doubt Tippett will be deregistered for a year and i would be one of the first to stand up and say that the punishment doesnt fit the crime. I think worse scenarios have occured in the AFL and nothing like that has been handed to a player nor should it here.
Delisting a club would dip into the AFL's piggy bank so that would never happen they like their money plus you got issues with TV rights etc. I know youd love it zip but wishful thinking dont you agree.

[Ziplock]

oh I know and completely agree. I'm just saying that if tippett was to be deregistered, then logically and fairly the entire adelaide fotball club would be banned from competing since they had just asmuch, if not more, to do with it.

[Grazz]

oh I know and completely agree. I'm just saying that if tippett was to be deregistered, then logically and fairly the entire adelaide fotball club would be banned from competing since they had just asmuch, if not more, to do with it.

I understand the sentiment behind what you say but punishes to many innocents that way. A loss of points for x amount of wins would be a fairer option for all involved but even this hasnt been applied before in extreme cases so that to could be deemed as to harsh for what has happened.

[Tominator]

When do they reckon it will all be revealed? everybody seems to have gone a bit quiet on it lately

[Grazz]

When do they reckon it will all be revealed? everybody seems to have gone a bit quiet on it lately

Id expect the AFL to say something prior to the next draft but that doesnt help with your question much. The longer it goes with no comment from the AFL could be a bad sign but i imagine they have a mountain of stuff to go through. Could take a number of weeks.

[Toga]

When do they reckon it will all be revealed? everybody seems to have gone a bit quiet on it lately

Thursday/Friday according to Adelaide media ::)