Crows 'tamper' affair

[Ziplock]

then why did they need to add on the extra clause?

it isnt about the money....

[Grazz]

then why did they need to add on the extra clause?

it isnt about the money....

I would imagine to ensure Tippett that should he want to leave at the end that they (Crows) wouldnt put any obstacles in the way of him getting to where he wanted to go presumeably Brisbane or GC, i dont know why else it would be there unless it was asked for by the player/manager.

Edit: why do you think they added it zip ?

[j959]

I think Chopps makes a good point, in 09 where would Tippett of gone and got the money the Crows were paying him. Not an excuse just an explanation.

hey Grazz and Chopps, i'm not trying to be argumentative but I just thought the issue was fairly apparent is all ...

Why should the crows be penalised?

because they've done an underhand deal with Tippett in 2009 ... from Jayman's original quote from the story he posted an extract of ... "Adelaide has persistently denied there was a clause in Kurt Tippett's last contract, signed at the end of 2009 when Gold Coast was hovering, to trade him cheaply to the club of his choice when the deal expired."

Ok sorry I should have worded my question better also I m not all that familiar with judds visy contract

I understand the rule clearer thanks but why is this a problem? It's not like it benefits the crows and out of principle would of tried to make his move smooth regardless

Is this more its a breach and that's that? Regardless of impact?

Sorry all for my lack of understanding

ok Valk i see how it breaches the rules and thanks for the clarification, not really seeing where the harm is. it doesnt effect sydney and tippet was leaving the crows regardless only way this now benefits the crows if tippet is deregistered he wont be an opposition player

the harm is that the integrity of the salary cap and draft are potentially seriously undermined by this 'side agreement' that no-one formally knew about apart from Adelaide, Tippett and it seems, Tippett's management!!  :o

no i realise that and that would be bad but how does this agreement effect the draft or anything for that matter.
no agreement = tippet to sydney
an agreement = tippet to sydney

the outcome wasnt going to change regardless

but in agreeing to allow Tippett to go cheaply at the end of the 3yr contract in 2012, undermines the 'fair value' of the upcoming draft and also dealings in 2009 perhaps as maybe Tippett accepted an offer he wouldn't ordinarily have taken if he didn't have the 'escape' clause at the end of the 3yrs contract?? (also salary cap implications possible as well no??)

this is probably why it looked like Adelaide was getting the 'pineapple thrust' (or bohica as i used to know it  ;)) when there was talk of them accepting pick 23 and Jesse White from Sydney because there was no acknowledgment of the 'gentleman's agreement??

i am just speculating but i did think the benefit/harm/undermining of the draft & salary cap issues were fairly clear?

again, i'm not trying to take the p*ss or intending to be argumentative, I just couldn't see where you were coming from when you said:

* you couldn't see why the crows should be penalised
* not really seeing where the harm is
* that the behaviour was bad but how did this agreement affect the draft or anything for that matter

[Tominator]

then why did they need to add on the extra clause?

it isnt about the money....

I would imagine to ensure Tippett that should he want to leave at the end that they (Crows) wouldnt put any obstacles in the way of him getting to where he wanted to go presumeably Brisbane or GC, i dont know why else it would be there unless it was asked for by the player/manager.

Edit: why do you think they added it zip ?

otherwise Tippett would not sign it

Why we did not accept Pick 8 last year from Brisbane I do not know...

[Ziplock]

then why did they need to add on the extra clause?

it isnt about the money....

I would imagine to ensure Tippett that should he want to leave at the end that they (Crows) wouldnt put any obstacles in the way of him getting to where he wanted to go presumeably Brisbane or GC, i dont know why else it would be there unless it was asked for by the player/manager.

Edit: why do you think they added it zip ?

otherwise Tippett would not sign it

Why we did not accept Pick 8 last year from Brisbane I do not know...

exactly.

he wouldn't sign it.

so it was breaking the rules.

[Tominator]

then why did they need to add on the extra clause?

it isnt about the money....

I would imagine to ensure Tippett that should he want to leave at the end that they (Crows) wouldnt put any obstacles in the way of him getting to where he wanted to go presumeably Brisbane or GC, i dont know why else it would be there unless it was asked for by the player/manager.

Edit: why do you think they added it zip ?

otherwise Tippett would not sign it

Why we did not accept Pick 8 last year from Brisbane I do not know...

exactly.

he wouldn't sign it.

so it was breaking the rules.

well he is definitely at fault as well if that is the case... he pretty much forced the Crows into doing something illegal - even though he may not have known it was illegal - so he could be de-registered and his manager's licence revoked

[Ziplock]

he didnt force the crows to do anything. The club is in a far better position to ascertain the legality of the contract, and to me a clause like that sounds like something a club would put forward in a last ditch effort to hold onto a player, not something a player would necessarily put forward as insurance.

[Grazz]

Alot of what im saying is being misunderstood i think, so i'll just put it all here now

1)Are we guilty of draft tampering.            Yes we are

2) Some people are saying what did the Crows get out of it really.               A second round draft pick doesnt seem like alot but thats not the point we manipulated the draft in 2009 that could of stopped Brisbane from having Kurt. Not only that by saying that we would only ask for a second round pick means for example say Brisbane gets kurt for a second round pick leaving them all their first
round picks to then go on and aquire other good players that another club may now miss out on because Bribane are in a better position to deal for them Thats draft tampering. All that aside we still got Kurt for another 3 years Draft tampering.
I will say here though that i feel the clause would of been asked for by Kurt/manager but even thats irrelevant we still put it there so we could keep him, would he of gone for a 100k less to someone else maybe, maybe not, the facts are we put a clause in an unseen contract to ensure he stayed when we should not of done and just excepted the cards however they fell.

3) Are we in breach of the salary cap concerning Joel Tippett:    This is a bit up in the air still but if we payed any money be it for tickets a removalist to get his stuff here whatever then yes we are guilty of breaching the salary cap.
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Today i emailed the club and had a rant at them to basically telling them how Bloody idiotic we are for doing this no matter how they sugar coat it , you can all say we went to the AFL 1st but i believe we went to the AFL 1st because we knew we were going to be caught so you tried to save our backside by getting in 1st, well that doesnt wash with me or many others for that matter. Trigg and anyone else that was involved in this deal should be terminated if not now as soon as the AFL find us guilty which they will because we are you know it i know it. Thanks very much for subjecting your supporters to  the the crap were going to cop over this for the next few months possibly years that was very decent of you. I ranted a bit more but not worth printing here.
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I hope this clarifies my stance on what has gone on and explains exactly how i feel. My concern now is what else is there that hasnt come to light, Carolyn Wilson seems to think there is more to come other media scribes believe there is more to come this has me very concerned. Do we deserve whatever we get , you bet we bloody do.

[Justin Bieber]

I say flower Sydney the cows. They can flower off with there bullshower and give what Tippett is worth.

[Mailman the 2nd]

I say flower Sydney the cows. They can flower off with there bullshower and give what Tippett is worth.

Wait until you win a Premiership Whatlez :P

Sydney have been in the bargaining seat the whole time. They knew it right from when Tippett picked to come here.

It's simple strategy. Pick 23 can still net you a decent player like Fyfe or Johnson so its not that much of a bad deal.

[tbagrocks]

What's Tippett (the traitor) worth? A 200cm 25yr FF/Ruck  from a basketball background (is still learning footy) with a 50 goal season to his belt, basically he is Gold!

[Mailman the 2nd]

What's Tippett (the traitor) worth? A 200cm 25yr FF/Ruck with a 50 goal season to his belt, basically he is Gold!

When the club has no option but to trade him, I think you'll find his Gold is scratched away to bare copper.

[Ziplock]

your value diminishes substantially when you're out of contract.

fact is, if the afl finds out adelaide had a side deal with tippett as suspected, then the real cows are adelaide for not honouring their agreement and screwing over their player.

[Tominator]

your value diminishes substantially when you're out of contract.

fact is, if the afl finds out adelaide had a side deal with tippett as suspected, then the real cows are adelaide for not honouring their agreement and screwing over their player.

I know our opinions differ a lot and I respect your views are your views but I completely disagree with that...

Crows have not screwed over Tippett anywhere near as much as he has screwed over them

If we are guilty we deserve to be fined, sanctioned, whatever, but Tippett is no saint here

[Ziplock]

if they had a contract with him stipulating he would be traded for a second round pick to the club of his choice

then a) they've screwed him over by giving him the side contract to sign- as grazz said, it's the clubs responsibility to protect its players, not visa versa.
b) they've screwed him over by reneging on the signed contact.

it doesn't matter how you look at it, they've screwed him.

you know why they told the afl? because tippetts lawyers were pressuring them to honour their contractual agreement, so they decided that rather than do that, they would just flower him over and get him deregistered.