2013 Player Profile: Travis Cloke

Started by Jukes, October 09, 2012, 09:45:20 PM

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Barra17

Pick him for 2013, it will make me feel better. I'm not gonna pick him.

T Dog

Locked, loaded. left foot arc....BANG... ;D

Holz

had him in my team when there were 7forwards now there is 6 i cant fit him in. To me the rolling lockout is not too bad, the rule i think spoils the game is 8 mids.

I dont think you can afford to get cloke now, if you do i think he needs to be f4 and there are too many dpp options who i rate above him.

Rocky thomas martin sj i want ahead of him. you just cant seem to pick forwards anymore it seems like my whole team is just midfielders.

The_Captain

not sure now!!! underpriced buyt eont be in best 6 forwards!

Jukes

^ I can see him being top 6 if he reaches his full potential. 95 as he did in 2011 would make him a great shot at top 6, let alone maybe higher as he develops (only 25- not yet reached the dt-slut peak years)

The_Captain

Quote from: Jukes on December 29, 2012, 01:51:58 AM
^ I can see him being top 6 if he reaches his full potential. 95 as he did in 2011 would make him a great shot at top 6, let alone maybe higher as he develops (only 25- not yet reached the dt-slut peak years)

Hmm maybe. Think these blokes will all average above 95 but: Franklin, Johnson, Rockliff, Thomas, Robinson, Chapman, Broughten, Cox, Natanui. So i think he is fair way off top 6. NOne the less do expect at least a 10-15 increase in average!

Jukes

Franklin- probably, only averaged 93 last season without his 204 (may be 94, can't remember) and with Gunston developing will steal goals and touches (may be a good thing tho as he will push further up the ground more)
Stevie J- yeah will average over 95
Rocky- obviously, may go 105+
Thomas- All injury dependant, but yeah will probs go 100.
Robbo- probably. Will depend on his role.
Chappy- Old, going down.
Broughton- Cannot see him going 90+ let alone in the 95 region.
Cox- Same as Chappy, old and will drop in average due to being overtaken in the pecking order
Naitanui- Does nothing with the ball that is that effective unlike Cox who is a great kick, Naitanui can't kick for shower. His career best average will be high 80s.

Can only see Rocky, Daisy and SJ for sure averaging 95, with Buddy, Cox and Chappy on the brink.

Also, Clokey is very cheaply priced. Like 80k cheaper than most of those guys you talked about.

JBs-Hawks

Why would you remove buddy's 200? He's scoring won't change because of gunstan.

Ziplock

Quote from: Jukes on December 29, 2012, 02:01:14 AM
Franklin- probably, only averaged 93 last season without his 204 (may be 94, can't remember) and with Gunston developing will steal goals and touches (may be a good thing tho as he will push further up the ground more)
Stevie J- yeah will average over 95
Rocky- obviously, may go 105+
Thomas- All injury dependant, but yeah will probs go 100.
Robbo- probably. Will depend on his role.
Chappy- Old, going down.
Broughton- Cannot see him going 90+ let alone in the 95 region.
Cox- Same as Chappy, old and will drop in average due to being overtaken in the pecking order
Naitanui- Does nothing with the ball that is that effective unlike Cox who is a great kick, Naitanui can't kick for shower. His career best average will be high 80s.

Can only see Rocky, Daisy and SJ for sure averaging 95, with Buddy, Cox and Chappy on the brink.

Also, Clokey is very cheaply priced. Like 80k cheaper than most of those guys you talked about.

you dont just discount a players score :S like, a subbed player, yeah, maybe. Or, if a player pulled out a monster score against GWS/GC... franklin kicked 13goals against a top 8 side. I have no idea why you would disregard that.

Do we also disregard abletts 180? :S or stantons 190?

azza707

I understand that you cant just remove a players score, but i think what hes saying is that its very unlikey that he will kick 13 goals again. (midfielders a more likely to rack up scores of 160+ due to points from possesions rather than goals). so lets say franklin was to have a very similar year, but didnt kick 13 goals and only scored 100 DT points that game, he would only averaged 94ish which is actually surprising... Makes an interesting point for someone like me who is looking at starting without buddy due to his price + harder start.


JBs-Hawks

Quote from: azza707 on December 29, 2012, 01:39:03 PM
I understand that you cant just remove a players score, but i think what hes saying is that its very unlikey that he will kick 13 goals again. (midfielders a more likely to rack up scores of 160+ due to points from possesions rather than goals). so lets say franklin was to have a very similar year, but didnt kick 13 goals and only scored 100 DT points that game, he would only averaged 94ish which is actually surprising... Makes an interesting point for someone like me who is looking at starting without buddy due to his price + harder start.

So then you must also take out his sub affected score or double it since his average only includes half a game against GWS.

Then you also must take out his couple games coming back from injury when he was regaining fitness after 6 weeks off.

And who is too say he wont go huge again? Thats why we all have him for when he does go huge. And if you look at all the highest one off scores alot of them are forwards so your midfielder outlier theory cant be used here.

Jukes

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on December 29, 2012, 01:46:10 PM
And who is too say he wont go huge again? Thats why we all have him for when he does go huge. And if you look at all the highest one off scores alot of them are forwards so your midfielder outlier theory cant be used here.

He's topped 130 on a massive five occassions in the past four seasons.

Even in 2008 when he kicked 100 goals he only topped the 130 on 3 occassions.

Massive misconception.

stew42

Quote from: Jukes on December 29, 2012, 02:10:13 PM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on December 29, 2012, 01:46:10 PM
And who is too say he wont go huge again? Thats why we all have him for when he does go huge. And if you look at all the highest one off scores alot of them are forwards so your midfielder outlier theory cant be used here.

He's topped 130 on a massive five occassions in the past four seasons.

Even in 2008 when he kicked 100 goals he only topped the 130 on 3 occassions.

Massive misconception.
+1, it's important to look past the hype and get to raw stats.

azza707

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on December 29, 2012, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: azza707 on December 29, 2012, 01:39:03 PM
I understand that you cant just remove a players score, but i think what hes saying is that its very unlikey that he will kick 13 goals again. (midfielders a more likely to rack up scores of 160+ due to points from possesions rather than goals). so lets say franklin was to have a very similar year, but didnt kick 13 goals and only scored 100 DT points that game, he would only averaged 94ish which is actually surprising... Makes an interesting point for someone like me who is looking at starting without buddy due to his price + harder start.

So then you must also take out his sub affected score or double it since his average only includes half a game against GWS.

Then you also must take out his couple games coming back from injury when he was regaining fitness after 6 weeks off.

And who is too say he wont go huge again? Thats why we all have him for when he does go huge. And if you look at all the highest one off scores alot of them are forwards so your midfielder outlier theory cant be used here.

I know its not the best way to look at things, but it just gives you a deeper insight into buddys scoring ability. and plus he had such a long lay off from his injury, he would have been ripe as a cherry coming back into the side from his hammy and had such a long rest. i wouldnt be ignoring his come back from injury scores..

Adamant

I've got Sylvia in over Cloke atm, but he's mainly just a place holder. Will probably end up with neither.