The Champions League

[Ziplock]

^ yeah holzs system accounts for that.

[AFEV]

^ yeah holzs system accounts for that.

OK I must have missed something. How?

[Ziplock]

since the ratios would be dependent on teams averages, which would include C and VC scores implemented :P

[AFEV]

since the ratios would be dependent on teams averages, which would include C and VC scores implemented :P

You don't want to have C/VC scores affecting the data though. ???

[c4v3m4n]

since the ratios would be dependent on teams averages, which would include C and VC scores implemented :P

Yes, but we after a normalization of statistics here to ensure complete fairness. What don't people get?

By adding in captain and vice-captain bonuses, the weekly averages are then skewed and gives higher rankings to those with luck on their side.

Buddy scored 200 in SC one week. If you had the captain bonus well done, 400 points. But if you had the captain bonus on say Jordan Lewis who scored lets say 50, then you've lost a lot of points and your average drops. Luck.

But by basing it on purely individual scores, it eliminates this and provides a truly fairer system.

since the ratios would be dependent on teams averages, which would include C and VC scores implemented :P

You don't want to have C/VC scores affecting the data though. ???

Exactly.

[Ziplock]

yeah it would?

for instance C/VC data is counted in a teams overall scores?

[AFEV]

yeah it would?

for instance C/VC data is counted in a teams overall scores?

Not sure what you mean by yeah it would. :-\

What we're saying is that C/VC choices should not be included in the calculations because it will skew the averages. How is that good?

[Ziplock]

http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,55738.0.html

scrads scored 2024 points for the season- an average of 145 ppg, including his captain score.

captain (and vc is some of the comps) is crucial to a team- for instance, if you have swannie, that means you get an extra 15 ppg for having him, and then another 15 ppg having him captain. If VC scores a certain amount, then having a stronger midfield is far more beneficial than it is in euros/ worlds.

[AFEV]

That's basically rewarding the teams that had high picks. Counting a teams top player (in essence) twice doesn't make sense.

[Ziplock]

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that's what this game is about?

that's what the captain score is?

it gives an advantage to those with the best players?

[AFEV]

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that's what this game is about?

that's what the captain score is?

it gives an advantage to those with the best players?

You still get an advantage for having the best players, but I don't see any good reason to double any given players influence on the average of their team. As has been said, it just skews the average.

[Ziplock]

then by that logic we should scrap the captains and vice captains bonuses all together.

[c4v3m4n]

then by that logic we should scrap the captains and vice captains bonuses all together.

Only for the ranking and seeding system. ::)

[Holz]

not sure why people are making a big deal about it. Either you should have the top 4 from each comp play off in the champs league. If you win the title you are ranked 1 and if you come second than you are the number 2 seed in your comp.

My idea was also just have a knock-out comp that every team gets a shot to go in. the top 16 teams get seeded based on my ranking system and the rest get randomised. There is no major advantage for seeding as everyone gets in the comp.

It seems some are opposed to 2 comps but why not just have these running. I don't see why people can be opposed to 2 comp if your not interested than don't take notice of it.

[Colliwobblers]

I think I agree with Holz and C4. Seems the way to get this sorted out to make everyone happy.

1. Holz runs his knockout cup. If people don't care to bother "because it is too much" then maybe they shouldn't own multiple teams or any?

After all it requires nothing! the week the knockout cup is on you have already named your best starting side for the regular competition no?

2. C4 runs the champions league. His formula is what it is and however he works it out is what it is.

2 Points - and just my opinion one of what 50 XVs coaches?

* The champions league should consist of the best teams in each competition - don't care about your rankings or the formula or whether you use placings, current form, or a list rating method.

* I think it would be shower to end up with a champions league without representation of EVERY 15s league.

* Zip is right all fantasy based competitions are a teams score wfor the week, and all fantasy competitions involve a captains score as a bonus. It is TOTALLY relevant.

How can you rank a team by manipulating the data by removing the teams captain? that is not rating the teams it is rating the teams without their captains.

Not only that but it is rating the teams coach's ability to pick a captain each week.

BUT AGAIN C4 CAN RUN IT SO WHATEVER HE DECIDES IS FINE BY ME - JUST AGREE WITH ZIP ON THAT.

AND AS I HAVE SAID EARLIER I THINK COACHES FROM EVERY XVs COMPETITION WOULD WANT TO SEE THEIR BEST TEAMS IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.

Holz and C4 - make it happen !  :)  over to you :)