Asian 15'S RULES AND SET UP DISCUSSION

[Justin Bieber]

I like both ideas nost. I was thinking the same in idea 1.

Again I like the no home ground advantage in finals.

But I prefer like 3%. It's something different.

[Colliwobblers]

Great job with the rules Colli  8)

l'd like to put in my 2 cents worth for a couple though.....

1. l really like the captain (c) x 2 and vice-captain (vc) x 1.5, but have a problem with the sub taking their place in the event of either not playing. l feel that it has the potential to have too bigger impact on a team, especially in the event of late withdrawals.
Do you think naming a deputy-vice-captain (dvc) would work??

The way l see this working is........

a. lf both c and vc play then the status quo is mantained and the dvc still scores the same as usual.
b. lf the c doesn't play then the vc becomes c, and the dvc becomes vc.
c. lf the vc doesn't play then the c remains as is, and the dvc becomes the vc.

l think this is fairer because your teams c and vc will come from the 3 players that you believe will be the highest scorers in any partiular round. Rather than either of your 2 best picks and someone who didn't even make your best squad, in the event of a withdrawal.

2. The home ground advantage rule....... l personally like the system used in the other comps, i.e. double points for lowest scorer for the home team. l think its fairer.
l'd also like to make a suggestion withrespect to home ground advantage during finals.......l don't think there should be any at all. The double chance for the top 4 teams should be the only advantage given in my opinion, and apart from that all games should be played on their merits, and shall the best team win.

l hope l explained them well enough and didn't ramble too much

ON POINT 1: - Agreed - however what if both your captain and vice captain pull out - you only have 1 back up.

I do not see having a player named as  ( EC ) "emergency Captain" and a player named as (EVC) " emergency Vice Captain".

This way in adding a VICE CAPTAIN to the ASIANS we have still followed the standard fantasy rule of their being a back up for both.

As in DT ect, there is a back up to the Captain. If we are going to have a VC then we should still have  back up to the captain and also a back up to the VC.

I propose naming a C and an EC + a VC and a EVC.

I will add a list of options to the vote on how we set this up but i think in having both positions as bonus scorers then it is only fair to extend thier being a backup for the captain to the VC as well since he also is a bonus scorer.

ON POINT 2: - I think a home ground advantage should be relevant or not be bothered with at all. Having double the lowest scoring players score is EXTREMELY RANDOM.

there have been weeks when the lowest player in my SPORTSBET team scored 100. ( THIS IS A 100 POINT BONUS).

there have also been weeks when my lowest scoring player has scored under 10 ( THIS IS A WORTHLESS BONUS).

I think by using a % of team score we can somewhat control the level of the bonus, ensuring it is a RELEVANT advantage, making the realism of playing at home something we look forward to and adding an interesting perspective to the game.

We can also set the % to a level where it is impossible for the advantage to be EVER so great it is unrealistic.

I think the % of a total teams score is a lot more controlable and consistant than double the lowest scoring players score which can be a LOT or NOTHING.

I can agree no home ground advantage in finals, we can just agree all finals will be played on Nuetral ground.

[Spinking]

Like it Colli. Effectively a leadership group.  :)

[picker_man]

really like the % of a team score for both home & away and finals as home ground advantage. it is prietty big in the afl to have a home final...

but i really having nothing to add, i like all the rules you've written out so far and seem to have it all covered colli :)

[Colliwobblers]

gradually updating the second post in this thread with all the voting options, let me know by PM or post here ( PM best) or both better again as any idea you have you want the other coaches discussing seeing and supporting anyway ANY other changes or ideas you have...

[Colliwobblers]

need everyones thoughts on the MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LIST CHANGES ALLOWED EACH SEASON IN TRADING.

Let me know your thoughts on the number of list changes we should allow each season accross the 2 trade windows we will have each season.

1. will be after the preseason/rookie draft and before the season starts.

2. will be after the season ends and before the national draft.

need to know the total number of list movements you think we should allow, options i was thinking for the vote were 4,6,8,10.

if you think it should be less or more than those options let me know so i can add the number to the vote.

ideally we want t olimit options on the poll so we come out with a clear majority, so if you all think 6 or 8 or 10 please say so i can eliminate 4 from the poll :)

NEED TO DECIDE THIS FOR THIS SEASON AS WELL AS SEPERATELY FOR ALL FUTURE SEASONS.

ALSO NEED TO DECIDE IF WE HAVE NO TRADING BEFORE THE 2013 SEASON,

OR 1 TRADE WINDOW AFTER ALL DRAFTS,

OR TWO TRADE WINDOWS ONE AFTER THE INITIAL DRAFT AND ANOTHER AFTER ALL DRAFTS ARE DONE.

Please keep checking the second post in this thread which is where all the items for voting / deciding are posted with options, so i can add or remove options and add topics needing to be decided upon prior to the start of A15's

[Maca24]

I believe a trade period after our drafting will possibly ruin the leagues depth.. Just my opinion so I'd say no to that.
And I think after each season there should be 6-8 team changes allowed.

So no trading before 2013 season.

[Colliwobblers]

teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.

next step is to finalise rules.

Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.

the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.

once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!

[Nails]

teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.

next step is to finalise rules.

Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.

the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.

once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!

I don't want the draft to snake :D I mentioned it before draft was done and we got pick 1, but yeah :D

You said you want it to be more unique from other XVs... other XV's snaked, we shouldn't :)

Straight order in player draft, then lez get pick 1 and 17 in nat draft :D

[KoopKicka]

teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.

next step is to finalise rules.

Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.

the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.

once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!

Maybe set Sunday as the deadline?

[Colliwobblers]

teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.

next step is to finalise rules.

Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.

the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.

once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!

I don't want the draft to snake :D I mentioned it before draft was done and we got pick 1, but yeah :D

You said you want it to be more unique from other XVs... other XV's snaked, we shouldn't :)

Straight order in player draft, then lez get pick 1 and 17 in nat draft :D

There is not a draft in fantasy football on this Earth or any other planet that does not snake. The advantage to the team picking first is already clear, to NOT snake the draft would be to give RIDICULOUS advantage to the team drafting first.

There was never an option for the draft not to snake :)

but if it makes you feel better the national and preseasn/rookie drafts won't be snaking, again to even the teams for those drafting last in the initial draft.

I think you will all find there could not possibly be suggested any fairer or more even method of drafting that what we have here.?

but nice try  ;)

[Colliwobblers]

teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.

next step is to finalise rules.

Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.

the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.

once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!

Maybe set Sunday as the deadline?

i will talk to all coaches all are on regularly, we shouldnt need a deadline i will just confirm by PM with each coach that they have nothing to add, to the rules or list for voting on, i will do this between now and over the weekend and once i have spoken to everyone and got whatever requests from them that there may be i can then finalise our "voting list".

then we can all vote.

[Justin Bieber]

So what happens?

I get pick 1 and 17? ??

[Colliwobblers]

So what happens?

I get pick 1 and 17? ??

In the National ddraft and in the pre-season/rookie draft you get pick #1 EVERY round.

It will be the same ALWAYS in future seasons but with the order determined by reverse ladder order :).

The advantage of picking the first best player in the AFL over the 16TH best player in the AFL is considerable, so the EXTRA compensation was given to teams picking late in the INITIAL draft by NOT snaking the other two drafts this preseason.

IN FUTURE SEASONS THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO SNAKE AS THAT IS THE ONLY TOOL WE HAVE TO BENEFIT POOR PERFORMING TEAMS TO TRY TO EVEN THE COMPETITION.

Given your national draft picks may play few or no games for a year or two plus they may be guns but won't score like swan ablett or franklin or cox for a very LONG time. The advantage to you in the national draft is "long term" benefit.

Where the guys picking early in the initial draft get "immediate benefit" as they put a 170 point averaging player on the field from round 1 2013 and you can't.

unless your smart enough to draft the 130ish averaging player that WILL average 170 points next season.. :)

[Justin Bieber]

Yes I'm not trading now. It isn't even an option :P ;D