Unique vs standard when going for overall

starz · July 11, 2012, 03:04:37 PM

I'm ranked like 4000 at the moment so I am well off the pace and I know I'm probably not going to even go close but if I am going to attempt to have a crack at the overall what would be better a unique player or someone that is doing well that everyone has. For example trying to decide who to put m6 either thomspon or a rockliff or redden who are far more unique than thompson. Leaning towards redden as pretty much no one has him.

Thoughts on this though?

jamez_1983 · July 11, 2012, 03:26:33 PM

The thing with uniques, especially at this stage of the year, is that mostly - they are a unique for a reason.
Redden just doesnt seem to be getting it done fantasy wise this year, havent seen many of his games - maybe his role has changed.

Rockliff is a better option, not as unique, but not as common as a boyd or thompson.

i did see a team the other week, where they had their unique mids as the best defenders and forwards that were DPP.
So the mids were like Ablett, Swan, Deledio, Beams, Goodes etc.
They then filled the def/mid with good performing uniques like hanley, MJ, roughy etc.
Seemd to work pretty well, they were ranked inside the top 100.

oc16 · July 11, 2012, 03:56:50 PM

Wow, that seems very harsh jamez_1983 "Redden just doesnt seem to be getting it done fantasy wise this year". If u were to look at his average for the past 8 games before round 15 it is 114.125. Compare that to the so called Elite premium, Brent Stanton, in the same time period he has averaged 106.375.

If i were u starz i would defs jump on the Redden band wagon, and not let one game of 66 change ur mind.

DT Gun · July 11, 2012, 03:58:55 PM

your too far behind to win the car the best you could do is maybe a top 1000 finish

So if you want to gun for that, i would pick thompson because crows have a great run

bigballs · July 11, 2012, 04:06:12 PM

you are way too far behind to win overall. Just worry about winning your cash league if you have one, and that means saving your trades until the finals or when you get long term injuries. For a unique to be good, it means that they have to be better than the premiums. It is hard to get a unique this time of the year because the good players that were uniques are not unique anymore. eg. Watson, Maric. Michael Johnson all were good uniques at the start of the year but you can't call them unique now because a lot of teams have those players.

jamez_1983 · July 11, 2012, 05:04:59 PM

Quote from: oc16 on July 11, 2012, 03:56:50 PM
Wow, that seems very harsh jamez_1983 "Redden just doesnt seem to be getting it done fantasy wise this year". If u were to look at his average for the past 8 games before round 15 it is 114.125. Compare that to the so called Elite premium, Brent Stanton, in the same time period he has averaged 106.375.

If i were u starz i would defs jump on the Redden band wagon, and not let one game of 66 change ur mind.

not that harsh.
7 scores out of 15 below 100, 5 of which below 85.(lowest 66)
When he does ton up, he hasnt gone over 125.

Stanton (not that i feel the need to defend the 'so called premium' as you put it)
has missed the ton 5 times with a low of 74.
When he does get the ton, he can go huge.
Of the 10 times he has hit the 100, he has 4 scores over 140.

I think id rather follow the pack and get the 15ppg from stanton

Im not saying Redden is terrible, im just sayin Redden isnt the elite mid many predicted (yet)
He could turn it around from here on and average 110+

ScottieD · July 11, 2012, 06:09:09 PM

Quote from: jamez_1983 on July 11, 2012, 03:26:33 PM
The thing with uniques, especially at this stage of the year, is that mostly - they are a unique for a reason.
Redden just doesnt seem to be getting it done fantasy wise this year, havent seen many of his games - maybe his role has changed.

Rockliff is a better option, not as unique, but not as common as a boyd or thompson.

i did see a team the other week, where they had their unique mids as the best defenders and forwards that were DPP.
So the mids were like Ablett, Swan, Deledio, Beams, Goodes etc.
They then filled the def/mid with good performing uniques like hanley, MJ, roughy etc.
Seemd to work pretty well, they were ranked inside the top 100.

This has to be false. Even with hindsight it would be difficult to fill a team with only 2 true midfielders that would be in the top 100, what a load of cr@p. If they have good DPPs in midfield, they're missing out on all the top performing midfielders which is where the points are scored. They then have to fill their forward and defensive lines with extra forwards and defenders, having the best of those bunch in the mids.

To answer your question starz - the proven tactic is to go with the popular choice. Take a look at a handful of the top teams, or even more importantly, the teams that have romped it down the rankings to now be in the top few hundred. They are mostly filled with the best and most popular players. Uniques are more so for the start of the season IMO, then as the season progresses, if they are a good choice, they too become common (but you gain a trade on the field).

Go with Thompson - if he's not rested, he'll rack up ridiculous numbers against the lowly ranked teams.

bigballs · July 11, 2012, 07:29:02 PM

Quote from: jamez_1983 on July 11, 2012, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: oc16 on July 11, 2012, 03:56:50 PM
Wow, that seems very harsh jamez_1983 "Redden just doesnt seem to be getting it done fantasy wise this year". If u were to look at his average for the past 8 games before round 15 it is 114.125. Compare that to the so called Elite premium, Brent Stanton, in the same time period he has averaged 106.375.

If i were u starz i would defs jump on the Redden band wagon, and not let one game of 66 change ur mind.
not that harsh.
7 scores out of 15 below 100, 5 of which below 85.(lowest 66)
When he does ton up, he hasnt gone over 125.

Stanton (not that i feel the need to defend the 'so called premium' as you put it)
has missed the ton 5 times with a low of 74.
When he does get the ton, he can go huge.
Of the 10 times he has hit the 100, he has 4 scores over 140.

I think id rather follow the pack and get the 15ppg from stanton

Im not saying Redden is terrible, im just sayin Redden isnt the elite mid many predicted (yet)
He could turn it around from here on and average 110+

Even if Redden does average 110 from now on, till the end of the year. You are still better off getting Thompson as he is a lot more of a chance of doing it than Redden. You are not going to catch the top teams by having Redden in your team!

ScottieD · July 12, 2012, 12:01:04 PM

I noticed in another thread, Redden was ranked something like the 17th/18th most owned player... he's not a unique. More player's own him than Thompson.

Memphistopheles · July 12, 2012, 03:52:20 PM

Quote from: ScottieD on July 12, 2012, 12:01:04 PM
I noticed in another thread, Redden was ranked something like the 17th/18th most owned player... he's not a unique. More player's own him than Thompson.

Jarred Redden or Jack Redden?

I would have thought Jack would be much more unique.

ScottieD · July 12, 2012, 06:22:26 PM

I realized this mistake a couple hours later when jarred redden crossed my mind, my bad! I thought redden (bris) was a bit more unique than that!! Figured a lot of qld players had recenty got on board or something

Grannyboy · July 17, 2012, 03:07:25 PM

Don't worry about uniques just get the best players for your $. Check this team out, it's not very unique at all but it's scores for the last 3 rounds are.

Deledio, Waters b15,16, Scotland, Goddard b15,16, Birchall, Hanley, Ellis, Darley b14 sub->Carrazzo15, Sam Shaw b14 e15.
Swan c14,15, Boyd, Watson, Ablett c16, Mitchell, Cotchin, Gibson b14,15,16, M.Williams b14,sub->Couch b15,16.
Cox, Maric b16, Redden b14,15,e16, Stephenson b14,15,16.
Sidebottom, Beams, Franklin b16, Robinson, Pavlich, Zorko, O'Keefe, Elliott b14,15, Treloar b14,15,16.

It's value was $11,474,000 which was about average in the top 500 in round 13. (c is the captain, b means they were benched that round, e means they played as an emergency)

It scored: rnd 14 2598, rnd 15 2364, rnd 16 2487.