British 15's - Discussion thread

[Ringo]

Just copied my proposal from the Trade thread so it can be seen,  Basically it models what Spinking is saying but offers what I consider appropriate picks based on when we drafted players initially and what pick they were in relation to the team selection.  Eg Gramm was Fletchs 8th pick despite being pick 144 overall so you can see possibly why I have suggested as below.

Agree that this season possibly too early to expand with re adjustment of teams and compo picks.


It will be hard to get a purely Fair system but hopefully in Fletch's case Gram gets picked up. Maybe just amend my proposal to any picks under 180 (Top 10 picks for all teams in the Draft) have a priority pick in the Rooke Draft eg 1st picks. This may equate to losing a top 10 pick from your side.

Making the suggestion as follows: (I have redrafted slightly and leave it open to debate)
Draft picks under 180 - Priority picks in the Rookie Draft. (Top 10 picks per team in Draft) Currently one pick that is first pick in the Rookie draft
Draft picks 181- 270  Compensation picks after Round 1 (these were picks 11 - 15 in draft) Currently 4 picks
Draft Picks 271 - 360 Compensation picks after Round 2 (these would be picks 15 - 20 in draft) Currently 4 picks
Draft Picks 361 - 450 Compensation picks after Round 3 (these would be picks 20 - 25 in Draft) Currently 4 picks
Balance after Round 4

Basically this means that we are giving priority picks in the Rookie draft to teams that have lost players from their top 25 picks.

Rules around this would be that the order would be on the basis of picks and that the player no longer is playing in the AFL eg retired or not picked up by another club.  If you still choose to delist one of these players that have been picked up by another club you will revert to picking after the Rookie draft.

Hope this makes sense. But really needed to concentrate on getting suitable compensation for a team losing a top 10 pick. To show my Fairness could have made it top 15 and included my own 2 players who are retired and de-listed but I believe a top 10 pick really deserves it if not picked up.

Please feel free to pull apart or discuss further (Originally thinking next 10 picks for the compo picks after each round but thought that may be a bit too generous.)

[JBs-Hawks]

I think all compensation picks should be at the end of the rookie draft. Our original draft is over what pick people went is trivial now. If you lose a high pick that's just bad luck every player on your list is now even.

[Ringo]

Although original draft is over we were drafting players for next years competition and some of the delistings and retirements were not known when we listed.  I was just attempting to work out a fair way to compensate teams that have lost dome of their top drafted players through these issues.  If we were drafting we would not be taking these players. One of the reason why drafting a team prior to final list lodgements is a little dangerous.

[Fletch74]

Another delisting for me....

Prismall - takes the tally to 10. Soon I'll have half my list not playing :'(

[Ringo]

Another delisting for me....

Prismall - takes the tally to 10. Soon I'll have half my list not playing :'(

Know how you feel Fletch - I have 12 retirements/delistings in worlds, Like me you will be hoping some get picked up.

I have modified my list to reflect the latest 3 delistings and relative picks as well Spinking.  Also have removed Gillies from list now he has signed with Demons.

Will repost updated list in this thread.

[Ringo]

Updated de-listing list moved to this thread. Includes Dons 3 delistings and have removed Gillies since being picked up by Dees.  Will try and keep this list up to date in this thread seeing this where the compo discussions are taking place.

Coach            Draft Pick      Player Picked
Fletch74              144             Jason Gramm
Fletch74              181             Nick Lower
Ringo                  201             Simon Buckley
BB67th               206              Sam Iles
Colliwobblers        222             Cameron Wood
Ringo                  232             Josh Drummond
Spinking              315              Ryan Hargrave
Fletch74              325              Justin Shermann
Monstrum             326              Andrew Collins
Nails                    346              Ricky Pettard
Fletch74              364             Brett Primsall
Monstrum            395             Stephen Clifton
Ringo                  417             Thomas Swift
Whatlez               426             Ricky Dyson
Fletch74              432             Cruise Garlett
Tabs                   435             Nathan Gordon
Hawka                457             Matthew Bate
Boomz                464             Brendan Lee
Fletch74             469             Dylan Roberton
Tabs                    472             Adam McPhee
Colliwobblers        474             Lucas Cook
JBs-Hawks           492            Tom Schneider
Spinking             495             Sam Lonergan
Fletch74             504             Paul Bower
Fletch74             505             Nathan Djerrkura
Nails                   519             Ben Hudson
Spinking              531             Ben Speight
Elephants/Spite    533            Cheyne Stiller
Boomz                536             Michael Ross
Tabs                  538             Rhys Cooyou
Spinking             550             Liam Jurrah
JBs-Hawks           553            Michael Osborne
Torpedo10          558             Clint Bartram
Boomz                572            Ariel Steinberg
Monstrum           575            Andrew Browne
Fletch74             576            Jamie Bennell
Monstrum          578             Addam Maric
Boomz              581              Kyle Reimers
whatlez             583             Piers Flanagan
whatlez             606             Mark Seaby
Fletch74            612             Brodie Moles
whatlez             619             Orren Stephenson
Spinking            622             Jonathan Ceglar
BB67th             623             Andrew McQualter
JBs-Hawks        625              Josh Toy
Ringo               633             Matt Campbell
Nails                 634             Michael Coad
BB67th             638             Zephaniah Skinner
Holzman/bomberboy0618 640   Dylan McNeil
Monstrum         647             Gerrick Weedon   
Fletch74          649              Chance Bateman
BB67th             659             James Hawksley
Nails                 670             Luke Power
JBs-Hawks        672             Matthew Panos
Holzman/bomberboy0618  676   Blake Bray
Elephants/Spite  677            Brad Harvey
Colliwobblers      679            Jarrad Boumann
Boomz              680            Alex Magin
MTTY              681             Simon Hogan
Fletch74          685             Jeromey Webberley
MTTY              688            Hayden Jolly
Colliwobblers     690            Rohan Kerr
Spinking           694            Ben Warren
BB67th            695             Andrew Strijk
Hawka              696             Ben McKinley

[Spinking]

Great work Ringo!

6 Delistings at the Falcons.   :-[

[Spinking]

Righto chaps.  Here is my proposal about the compensation rule amendments.  I've included all of Section 4 (Rookie Draft) and have put the new section and changes in RED.  It's essentially a formalisation of the general consensus that has already been discussed.  If there are any major queries we will discuss them and put to a vote if necessary.  :)

4.1 In the foundation season of the league the Rookie Draft will be conducted in a snake format, in the opposite direction to the Initial Draft.

4.2 In the foundation season only, compensation picks will be awarded to teams who lose players delisted by an AFL club.  If these players are redrafted by a new club, no compensation picks will be awarded.  In the evening after the AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts (December 11th 2012) all players no longer listed with an AFL club will be removed from their team list.  The team will then receive compensation picks in the following manner:

Players picked in the top 180 of the initial draft = Compensation pick prior to 1st round rookie draft
Players picked 181 - 270 in the initial draft = Compensation picks after round 1 of the rookie draft
Players picked 271 - 360 in the initial draft = Compensation picks after round 2 of the rookie draft
Players picked 361 - 450 in the initial draft = Compensation picks after round 3 of the rookie draft

These compensation picks may not be traded, and this process will not be repeated for future drafts

4.3 All future drafts will be looped commencing with the team finishing last the previous season.

4.4 Each team will be allocated 3 picks which may be used in the draft, or traded on to other teams.

4.5 Players selected in the rookie draft must be currently on an AFL list, and must not be currently listed by any British 15s team

4.6 At the conclusion of the rookie draft all teams must have 46 currently listed AFL players.  Teams not meeting filling this quote will receive additional picks at the conclusion of the rookie draft, in the same order as previous rounds.  These additional picks may not be traded.

4.7 All compensation picks will be awarded at the discretion of the administrator.  These may be awarded in abnormal circumstances which significantly affect the team in question.

[Colliwobblers]

Looks good Boss.

[Spinking]

Looks good Boss.

Thanks Boss....

;D

[Spinking]

Folks - The 2013 Fixture is complete and is available to view here:

http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,68863.msg914782.html#msg914782

I'm adding in the home grounds now - but I can't find grounds listed for: Staines, Grope Lane, Bilston, Manchester or Liverpool.  Can those coaches please let me know where there teams will be playing and update it on their threads.  Thanks!

Also, we've got a spare round mid season, for some representative matches.  Anyone got any ideas?

[JBs-Hawks]

North vs South if possible?

[Spinking]

North vs South if possible?

I like it. Anyone know the UK geography well enough to know which teams would be on either side??

[Ringo]

North vs South if possible?

I like it. Anyone know the UK geography well enough to know which teams would be on either side??

Will have a go at splitting teams if you like spinking - Bit busy over the next couple of days but will do next week.

[Colliwobblers]

North vs South if possible?

I like it. Anyone know the UK geography well enough to know which teams would be on either side??

JBs suggested it .... make him work it out  ;D