British 15's - Discussion thread

[Ringo]

http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,69109.0.html

For those that may not have picked up MTTY has posted this in the front bar.

As you can see he will continue to coach his team in The British, Hand the reigns over to spinking as controller of British but provide input as required.

Do not think we need to pursue reasons why, given his comments, and just respect his statement and privacy. It may be advisable to recommend he find an assistant coach though to cover him should these circumstances arise again.

[Spinking]

It's all good, lads.   He has handed back his EXV team, passed the admin role at the BXV to me, and is keen to continue managing the Hastings Hurricanes.  He has been apologetic for the absence, which I think is reasonable.

He has been in contact with me via PM, passing over some plans that he had for the comp.  I've suggested that he post them up in the discussion thread for comment. 

[Fletch74]

Fair enough, I'd not read that thread. Good to see he will still be coaching his team, and also glad to see Spinking take over the reigns :)

I hope all is ok with his personal life.

[MTTY]

Here is the idea that i had before my leave of absence everyone, i've shared it with Spink and opinions would be great. (Although since the rookie draft is fairly compromised with delistings compo etc. we could hold off a year too)

Hey guys i was thinking towards the future of British 15s and a possible expansion club.

My thoughts on how it works


Club inclusion year - 2015

The expansion team will come into play in 2015 (when the lists are down to 42 for all the other clubs).

Drafting 2012

The expansion club will be allowed the following in 2012

Rookie Draft

Pick #55
Pick #56
Pick #57
Pick #58
Pick #59
Pick #60
Pick #61
Pick #62

These picks may be taken on unselected AFL players, un picked National draft or Rookie draft players.

Up and coming Talent Scheme

In this scheme the team is allowed the following:

Pick #1 - Has to be a mature aged player outside the AFL that could be drafted before the 2015 season kicks off
Pick #2 - A player from the 2013 draft class (next years draftees, not this years that is not selected in the mini draft)

List as of 2013 - 10 players


2013 Drafting

Rookie Draft

Pick #1
Pick#2
Pick#3
Pick#22
Pick#23
Pick#24
Pick#43
Pick#44


Up and coming Talent Scheme

In this scheme the team is allowed the following:

Pick #1 - Has to be a mature aged player outside the AFL that could be drafted before the 2015 season kicks off
Pick #2 - Has to be a mature aged player outside the AFL that could be drafted before the 2015 season kicks off


List as f 2014 - 20


2014 Drafting


Rookie draft

1st pick of each round (3 rounds)

2 picks at the end of the draft


Regional talent

Pick#1 - Has to be a player from the upcoming draft in the Victorian Region

Pick#2 - Has to be a player from the upcoming draft in the South Australian Region

Pick #3 - Has to be a player from the upcoming draft in the West Australian Region

Pick #4 - Has to be a player from the upcoming draft in the New South Wales Region

Pick #5 - Has to be a player from the upcoming draft in the Tasmanian Region

Pick #6 - Has to be a player from the upcoming draft in the Queensland Region

Pick #7 - Has to be a player from the upcoming draft in the Northern Territory Region

Note - these must be used by a set date before the actual AFL's draft - TBD


Recruiting

The new club will be allowed to do the following three times to three different clubs -

Each club must select 5 players on its list to restrict. After that the new club is then allowed to pick a player from three different teams lists (then the club who had a player taken will be delivered with compensation)


National Draft

Pick#1
Pick#2
Pick#3
Pick#5
Pick#7
Pick#9
Pick#25
Pick#44
Pick#63

Trading

2 Mini Draft picks - These picks can be used on any player for the 2015 draft class (no birthday restricton) But they have to be used prior to the start of the 2015 season, thus they are making a bit of a guess on the best talents in that year.


List as of 2015 (without taking into account mini draft trading) - 44 (hopefully atleast 46 with mini draft trades)



Your thoughts???

[Colliwobblers]

It's all good, lads.   He has handed back his EXV team, passed the admin role at the BXV to me, and is keen to continue managing the Hastings Hurricanes.  He has been apologetic for the absence, which I think is reasonable.

He has been in contact with me via PM, passing over some plans that he had for the comp.  I've suggested that he post them up in the discussion thread for comment. 

Pity he didn't communicate better, leave it for us/ me to think the worst.

I obviously retract my previous statements and happy to hear all is well with MTTY, which is the main thing, which is also something I have asked the guy via PM yet still had no contact from him.

whatever - all good,guess i'll go look for the front bar post, just happy to hear he is well.

[BB67th]

I do like the expansion idea MTTY, but I don't know how it would quite work in reality. Would someone be prepared to draft a team over 4 years before actually getting it to play matches? I know I wouldn't.

[Colliwobblers]

I do like the expansion idea MTTY, but I don't know how it would quite work in reality. Would someone be prepared to draft a team over 4 years before actually getting it to play matches? I know I wouldn't.

I think a worlds or euro or asians coach would as they have existing teams to manage so the fact this one wouldn't start until 2015 wouldn't concern them.

and drafting seems to be the most fun of running a team, that and trading.

I like the idea, they setup MTTY has laid out looks pretty good and its 2 seasons (2013, 2014) on the sidelines only, team is included in 2015.

mixes it up a bit....

[picker_man]

I didnt get it at first :-[ now i do after reading the more intellectual guys comments who did, i also like the idea 8)

think the teams coach coming in could get a few more advantages though. maybe being allowed to trade in 2013/14 and more trades in 2015 + a longer team list then others :-\

[Spinking]

Good work on sparking the debate MTTY. I'll make the same comments here that I did via PM.

I generally like the concept except I question whether it is needed. With 18 teams already this would mean less chance for teams to make the finals, a slight weakening of the quality of teams, and the need for the introduction of a bye.

I also don't like the idea of it starting this season, as there are quite a few other challenges to sort through including sorting out the delistings, and getting the comp working well in its inaugural season.

I also felt that a coach might be reluctant to coach a team for 2 years without it actually playing, and this might potentially remove some quality players from the comp during that time.

Anyway those are my thoughts. As I said to MTTY though I reckon it's a good debate, and if the mood out there is that it is a good move I'll get behind it. Just need to be convinced that its good for the comp ;)

[JBs-Hawks]

Might of worked this year in euros with the quality players left in the draft pool but our lists are too big and we have too many teams tobe feasible.

[Justin Bieber]

Yeah I dont like the idea of getting players already...  :-X

[Spinking]

Might of worked this year in euros with the quality players left in the draft pool but our lists are too big and we have too many teams tobe feasible.

What quality players in the EXV? You must be mistaken, all the good players are taken...  :-X  :D

[JBs-Hawks]

My bad I assumed Zac Dawson was free, turns out he has a team  :P

[Ringo]

Locking in the Leeds / Nottingham rivalry! Just need Bilston (Boomz), Grope Lane (Nails), Hastings (MTTY) Oxford (Noz), Swindon  (Hawka) and Swansea (Ringo) to lock in their rivalries and then the fixture will be released.

Thanks everyone for the comments and PMs regarding how we manage the Hurricanes in MTTYs absence. There appears to be general support for leaving the team intact until such time as MTTY has let us know what is happening.

My decision at this stage is that the team will remain intact until the drafts where a caretaker coach will do the drafting. We will revisit things again after that.

Grope Lane and Swansea will be playing for the Lion Shield in their rivalry round. Trust you like the selection of the Shield Nails

[Spinking]

Might be best to bring the compensation rule discussions over to this thread.  Just got a couple of thoughts:

1.  I am not keen to push forward with expansion this season, due to the complexity around our initial rookie drafts and compensation picks.  I reckon we discuss it towards the end of next season, and keep MTTY's model in mind for how it might be implemented.

2. The compensation rules should only be in play for the intial season. It's going to be a bit of hard yacka to ensure the compo system works well, and this is only fair after we drafted our teams mid season, but in future seasons I think delisted players should just result in an extra rookie draft pick, unless there are significantly unusual circumstances.

3. I suggest that immediately after the actual drafts, all delisted players come off all our lists and picks are assigned appropriate compensation according to Ringo's system.  This gives coaches a chance to hold onto players to see if they will get picked up.  For example Fletch will know by then if Gram has been picked up by a new team. 

4. Seeing as we only drafted the teams recently, I wouldnt think there will be scenarios where we want to delist players who are still on an AFL list, but if this occurs I don't think there should be an early compensation - just an extra pick after the Rook Draft.

Any thoughts or arguments?  :)