This week really showed the importance of getting the byes right for me.

[sj9177]

This week really highlighted how many places you could jump in overall if you get the byes right

Through a bit of good luck and planning i got 2150 this week (not huge normally) but given how depressed scores were this round i jump about 9k places up to top 4k

Its pretty clear to me at least that during r11 - 13 there is a good chance of a lot of sub 2k scores and if you can get it right during those round there are some big places to make up

Gave me some real food for thought this week

[whorya]

mate this week has nothing to do with the byes...inj is luck - you cant predict who will be a late withdrawal on a sunday, but byes everyone is affected and you know who will be out each week.

[Roy.G.Biv]

This week really highlighted how many places you could jump in overall if you get the byes right

Through a bit of good luck and planning i got 2150 this week (not huge normally) but given how depressed scores were this round i jump about 9k places up to top 4k

Its pretty clear to me at least that during r11 - 13 there is a good chance of a lot of sub 2k scores and if you can get it right during those round there are some big places to make up

Gave me some real food for thought this week

Agreed.
Many teams out there with the ruck combo of Cox/Jacobs/HMac.......with Redden, Big O on the bench.
Could be up for 2 donuts in round 11, if Redden and O don't play in rnd 11.

[97crows98]

mate this week has nothing to do with the byes...inj is luck - you cant predict who will be a late withdrawal on a sunday, but byes everyone is affected and you know who will be out each week.

You will know who's out due to the bye, but you get injuries & late omissions as well. I think it will be harder to plan for the byes than people think.

[Colliwobblers]

The bye rounds will make last round look like a walk in the park.

6 trades used during the byes from and to players of the correct bye rounds will be needed to avoid and reduce donuts, this means upgrade / downgrade trades have to be held for the bye rounds, I have seen and heard nothing of people saying they are not trading this or that rook as they will need to make that trade during the byes to avoid donuts.

Very few people will be anywhere near prepared for the byes no matter how much warning we have.

[Ringo]

Collie I now we have had some discussion on this and you are right very few people are considering byes.  Have answered some queries where people only have 14 trades left at the moment.

In my situation I need to do this to reach the desired 8/11/11 structure which is the basic structure required for Round 11 to go through with a minimum of 2 donuts for byes.
One Round 13 Defender to a Round 12 Defender
One Round 11 Mid to a Round 12 Mid
Two Round 11 Forwards to Round 12 Forwards
One Round 11 Forward to a Round 13 Forward

5 Trades Still required and with 19 left will leave 14  ( 6 for byes and then 8 for rest of season for LTI's and upgrades).  This is one of the reasons that I can not take advantage of Zorko Docherty and other GWS rookies as I am fully committed with Round 11 Players for the byes. (Will be oK after the Round 11 bye but the bird may have flown) Am looking at what rookies are still reasonably priced at Gold Coast, Port and Melbourne to assist with downgrades.

So what I am saying is trades now are with byes in consideration eg Looking at Devon Smith out this week or next for Geelong or GC Players (George Horlin-Smith or Sam Day)

[Torress]

this is a first for SC with the byes as they are. will be interesting to see how tactics pan out.

i'm one trade off having the 8/11/11 setup as ringo speaks of. i have made a couple of upgrades, but most trades are in the back of my head and thinking about the byes.

copping fyfe and goodes aint good and i traded out heater (ouch) straight away. so no more injuries!!!

atm i'm 9/10/11 structrure atm. i'm looking to do probably 7 trades during the bye period, i'm planning on doing no sideways for prems - i'll cop a donut for a good prem. if its a midpricer or something, every chance i'll trade. during this time i'm only doing value upgrades.
i won't be looking at expensive prems during byes. will be looking to add some depth in forward and backlines bye trading in some hopefully awsome value picks if there are some!!

i think people who are saying byes mean nothing and you'll make up the ground late are hoping a bit. if you structure up well and have a sucessfull bye period, there is no reason why you can't come home strong as well. the upgrades i've made for my team to suit byes are rockcliff, marc murphy and buddy. i see ppl saying you'll lose points trading with the byes in mind? depends how you went about it, the byes will make or break your overall no doubt imo

its a good topic to talk about and keep you thinking, ppl have good ideas - ringo and colli are the ones all over it

[Ringo]

For information the 8/11/11/ structure should be set up as
Backs 2/3/4; Mids 2/3/3; Rucks 2,1,1; Forwards 2/4/3 giving you 8/11/11
First is Round 11 byes, 2nd Round 12 Byes, and third Round 13 Byes.

Then no trades for Round 11
3 Trades for Round 12 with one donut
3 trades for Round 13 with one donut.
This is the best possible scenario for byes to get only 2 donuts.

So prior to Round 11 have worked out I need these trades
One Round 13 Back to a Round 12 Back
One Round 11 Mid to a Round 12 Mid (doing this this week with Goodes via Kennedy to Pendles)
Three Round 11 Forwards to Round 12 Forwards.

So 5 trades still required taking me down to 14 6 for byes then 4 for LTI and at least 4 for Finals.
Thats the plan anyway but can be easily hijacked by other circumstances.

[msiys]

Anymore info on this structure?

[Ringo]

The first two paragraphs are the strategy which you then work into your team if able.  This is the strategy that has been devised to only have 2 donuts during bye rounds.

You have seen from other posts that there are various other options being used as well such as tanking in a round to keep their structures and prem players.

It is not a hard and fast rule that is what you have to do just go with your instincts as to how you treat byes and if the proposal suits then ok.

[msiys]

Yeah it will be hard to get that desired 8/11/11 structure as it stands I have it at 7/10/13 but I have lots of DPP players so I am not sure.

My first 2 bye rounds I am looking at playing nearly the 2 lowest on my ladder and the last bye round I'm playing nearly a top opp on ladder.  So I already have more players for the harder third bye round.

11      12      13
COLL      ADEL      CARL
ESS      BL      GCFC
FRE      GWS      HAW
GEEL      NMFC      PORT
MELB      WCE      RICH
SYD      WB      STK

BACKS
Scotland 13, Rance 13, Suckling  13, Clarke 11, Bugg 12, Hargrave 12, Bower 13,
E(Smedts 11/Lynch 11)         3/2/4
MIDFIELD
Deledio 13, Murphy 13, SelwoodV 11, Ablett 13, Judd 13, Horsley 13,
(McDonald 12/Pfieffer 13 )E     1/1/6
RUCKS
CoxC 12, Giles 12,
(Redden 13/Stephenson 11)   1/2/1
FORWARDS
Franklin  13, Dangerfield 12, Chapman 11, Riewoldt 13, Porplyzia 12, Kennedy 12, Treloar 12,
(Hurley 11/Tomlinson 12)E   2/5/2

RND 11      7           
RND 12       10
RND 13       13             TRD 1 RND 13 PLAYER TO RND 12 AND 1 RND 13 PLAYER TO RND 11

[ScottieD]

Everyone is mistaken assuming that an 8/11/11 structure is the only way to get the minimum 2 bagels.

I will have a 9/7/14 structure and will only get 2 bagels (plus extras in rucks if red/orr don't play - but that's beside the point).

Take for instance an extreme case of 7/7/16 below:

13  Trade to R11 between rounds 11-12
13  Trade to R11 between rounds 11-12
13  Trade to R11 between rounds 11-12
13
13
12
12
11
11

13
13
13
13
12
12
11
11

13
13
12
11

13  Trade to R12 between rounds 12-13
13  Trade to R12 between rounds 12-13
13  Trade to R12 between rounds 12-13
13
13
12
12
11
11

So that equals 2 bagels in the midfield in round 13 only.  Many many different scenarios and structures can achieve this.  The best of the best coaches will have planned specific byes for their structure to receive the minimum 2 bagels - spread over 2 rounds or both in 1 round, tailored to who they play in each of the bye rounds and how many bagels their opponents are likely to get...

[didakforever]

wtf scottied? ??? ??? ???
how do you figure this.....are you sure you took maths as a kid?
get the abacus out again son, this doesnt make sense at all.

ringo, you have hit the nail right on the head mate.

[ScottieD]

Okay I'll make it easy for you didakforever u complete spud (let me know if you need it color coded and I'll email to you):

Position   Round 11   Round 12   Round 13
B1   13   11 (trade)   11
B2   13   11 (trade)   11
B3   13   11 (trade)   11
B4   13   13   13
B5   13   13   13
B6   12   12   12
B7   12   12   12
B8   11   11   11
B9   11   11   11
         
M1   13   13   13*
M2   13   13   13*
M3   13   13   13
M4   13   13   13
M5   12   12   12
M6   12   12   12
M7   11   11   11
M8   11   11   11
         
R1   13   13   13
R2   13   13   13
R3   12   12   12
R4   11   11   11
         
F1   13   13   12 (trade)
F2   13   13   12 (trade)
F3   13   13   12 (trade)
F4   13   13   13
F5   13   13   13
F6   12   12   12
F7   12   12   12
F8   11   11   11
F9   11   11   11
Trades   0   3   3
Bagels   0   0   2*
Structure   7/7/16   10/7/13   10/10/10   

[Ringo]

This will also work Scottie. Difference between what I have been suggesting and this is that the 2 donuts are taken in the one round whereas my structure has 1 in Round 12 and one in Round 13.  You can also come up with a structures to take 2 donuts in Round 12 or Round 11 as well.  Not saying mine is hard and fast either.
The only issue I think concerning about 50% of coaches is Reddan and Stephenson not playing at the moment which may cause more than the 2 donuts.