Euro 15s Fixtures, Results and Ladders

[Ziplock]

it still doesn't change the fact that you have no direct impact on your opponents score.

[PowerBug]

it still doesn't change the fact that you have no direct impact on your opponents score.

Well, that's the luck of the draw. If you want to win every week, then score more. :P And if you complain about a low team beating a top team, well Melbourne beat Essendon this year, so it's possible. ;)

[Ziplock]

*sigh* that's not what my issue is. Melbourne beat essendon, because their forwards were better and over powered essendons defence, while their defence held essendons forwards, so on, so forth. But, if lets say Ward scores badly, it isn't because his opponent swan played well in euros. Or, if like Jack Riewoldt plays awesome, it isn't because scotland played badly. %'s basically punish or reward you for another teams success or failure, rather than your own.

the issue I'm raising isn't super complex....

[Holz]

*sigh* that's not what my issue is. Melbourne beat essendon, because their forwards were better and over powered essendons defence, while their defence held essendons forwards, so on, so forth. But, if lets say Ward scores badly, it isn't because his opponent swan played well in euros. Or, if like Jack Riewoldt plays awesome, it isn't because scotland played badly. %'s basically punish or reward you for another teams success or failure, rather than your own.

the issue I'm raising isn't super complex....

the simple solution is to have it by points scored counting not %. I will only change if the worlds do though. So basically its up to ossie.

[Ziplock]

that's what I originally suggested lol.

[meow meow]

Is it really that much of an issue? Compare the current ladder to how it would be if we had points scored as the deciding factor rather than percentage and the changes are minimal.

[elephants]

Is it really that much of an issue? Compare the current ladder to how it would be if we had points scored as the deciding factor rather than percentage and the changes are minimal.

At the end of the season though it could be the difference between finals and no finals? I would rather see it just ranked on the points won in games then instead of percentage have the numbers of points scored?

[elephants]

Belarus Bisons (Lahug)   10   6   1   3   26   1350   1280   105.47
Spanish Stallions (Torp)  10   6   1   3   26   1370   1315   104.18

For example take this.

LH is ranked above Torp. They ahve the same amount of points but LaHug has 'conceded' less. This isn't fair imo as what your opponent scores is out of your control. IMO it should be...

Spanish Stallions (Torp) 10   6   1   3   26   1370   1315   104.18
Belarus Bisons (Lahug)   10   6   1   3   26   1350   1280   105.47

I would think that Torp should be above LH as he has scored more points over the season.

Meh, my two cents.

*Sorry LH and Torp for using you guys as example  :-X :)

[ossie85]

*sigh* that's not what my issue is. Melbourne beat essendon, because their forwards were better and over powered essendons defence, while their defence held essendons forwards, so on, so forth. But, if lets say Ward scores badly, it isn't because his opponent swan played well in euros. Or, if like Jack Riewoldt plays awesome, it isn't because scotland played badly. %'s basically punish or reward you for another teams success or failure, rather than your own.

the issue I'm raising isn't super complex....

the simple solution is to have it by points scored counting not %. I will only change if the worlds do though. So basically its up to ossie.

I'll likely keep percentage, cos I like the classic-ness of it.

But that doesn't mean the Euros can't do what they want.....

[meow meow]

What is the point of having head to head matches then? You can't control how your opponent scores and that decides if you get 4 points or not.

If you want to base the competition around how your team scores, and has nothing to do with the opposition, then maybe award 4 points each to the top 7 teams for the round and use the total points scored instead of % to decide ladder positions.

[ossie85]

What is the point of having head to head matches then? You can't control how your opponent scores and that decides if you get 4 points or not.

If you want to base the competition around how your team scores, and has nothing to do with the opposition, then maybe award 4 points each to the top 7 teams for the round and use the total points scored instead of % to decide ladder positions.

I sort of touched on this point earlier, well put meow.

Is is a week to week comp, not a year comp...

[elephants]

Honestly though, I'm easy. I think its really unlucky if you miss out on percentage but hey. I'm happy to be involved :)

[Ziplock]

What is the point of having head to head matches then? You can't control how your opponent scores and that decides if you get 4 points or not.

If you want to base the competition around how your team scores, and has nothing to do with the opposition, then maybe award 4 points each to the top 7 teams for the round and use the total points scored instead of % to decide ladder positions.

you've got head to head as a type of thrill, to beat someone and be more successful in that round. % doesn't really have the same type of thrill... not that I can really explain it.

as I said, I understand if we don't implement it this season, but I'd like to see some changes next season, even if the % is determined by the average score each round or something.

[Torpedo10]

Belarus Bisons (Lahug)   10   6   1   3   26   1350   1280   105.47
Spanish Stallions (Torp)  10   6   1   3   26   1370   1315   104.18

For example take this.

LH is ranked above Torp. They ahve the same amount of points but LaHug has 'conceded' less. This isn't fair imo as what your opponent scores is out of your control. IMO it should be...

Spanish Stallions (Torp) 10   6   1   3   26   1370   1315   104.18
Belarus Bisons (Lahug)   10   6   1   3   26   1350   1280   105.47

I would think that Torp should be above LH as he has scored more points over the season.

Meh, my two cents.

*Sorry LH and Torp for using you guys as example  :-X :)

I agree ele, costing me a top 4 spot. It isn't like AFL when the other team actually impacts our team's scores.

[Justin Bieber]

The best team is on top of course :)