Proving people wrong again

[TheMailman]

Ahhh feel free to look at the 2004 ladder.

Swans finish 6th. Win the Premiership in 2005

Port finish 1st. Win the 2004 Premiership

They were basically in the same position and look how it turned out?

The Swans are still finishing 6th.

Enough said

[Ziplock]

http://www.facebook.com/gAyFL

get amongst it.

[TheMailman]

haha I get it

because gays are lesser people than straight people of course

(note the sarcasm)

[Ziplock]

I meant the page in general, literally wasn't a joke or call or anything.

Everyone on it's pissing me off, and it keeps popping up in my news feed lol.

[TheMailman]

I meant the page in general, literally wasn't a joke or call or anything.

Everyone on it's pissing me off, and it keeps popping up in my news feed lol.

My critisim was of the page not you

DW ZIP WE ALL LOVE YOU  :P

[The F.A.R.K.]

I meant the page in general, literally wasn't a joke or call or anything.

Everyone on it's pissing me off, and it keeps popping up in my news feed lol.

My critisim was of the page not you

DW ZIP WE ALL LOVE YOU  :P

TBH i dont i dont swing that way. I more into girls than robots

[Ziplock]

dw, I knew everyone loved me. Except FARK. Because he's more interested in animals than people ;) :P

[SydneyRox]

South Australians really are twisted. Do they think that winning the spoon is the aim of the game?

seriously...... Crows and Port are in rebuilding stages and everyone who actually follows afl should know that. Crows are rebuilding from soem poor decisions from senior staff over last 5 years and port are rebuilding after their run to the gf in 2007. Over the last 5 years crows and port have lost very experienced players and therefore are now filled with teams of youth. Crows and Port will be top 8 teams by 3 years time while Sydney are stuck in the midle of the ladder going no where in three years time. That is why you are the laughing stock. Sydney is like a dt full of mid pricers yeah you might average 1900 consistently but you wont really get anywhere. Port and Crows are like a dt full of rookies, you have to put up with shower scores at the start but by the end you have a team of premiums

When looking at teams and team lists, all you can look at is what teams have done. As much as you want to believe port (or the crows) will be fantastic in 5 years, right now it is a guess. Now you are entitled to an opinion, however you have presented zero data to support any arguement you have made (against syndey or for port)

What I did was show you that the comments you keep making are sweeping generalisations while we I am working with facts. You find it easy enough to defend the Port (Lost experince) and Crows (poor desicions) but want to get stuck into Sydney at the same time for how they run their club. You picked up a third rate ruckmen this year from another club, how do you think he will be viewed at the end of 12months?
How about predicting where Port will finish on the ladder over the next 5 years? I will enjoy referring back to this in 5 years time when Sydney have made the finals every year and Port are rebuilding again.

Just to bring up another point, you said port and that port are rebuilding after losing many senior players. How is this list for you?
Bevan*, Bolton*, Bradshaw, Kennelly*, Kirk*, Matthews*, Davis*, Barry*, Fosdike*, Oloughlin*, Buchanan*, Hall*, Jolly*, Crouch*. Senior/Quality Players who have left Sydney since 2007, * = premiership player

Just a note of your issues with our list age Syndey this year only has 3 players over 30 - Bolton 32, Goodes 32, ROK 31, Shaw 30, so while Bolton may retire at the end of the year the others have at least 2 to 4 years left in them and Sydney actually has the 2nd most of 21-24 aged players on thier list.

[stew42]

South Australians really are twisted. Do they think that winning the spoon is the aim of the game?

seriously...... Crows and Port are in rebuilding stages and everyone who actually follows afl should know that. Crows are rebuilding from soem poor decisions from senior staff over last 5 years and port are rebuilding after their run to the gf in 2007. Over the last 5 years crows and port have lost very experienced players and therefore are now filled with teams of youth. Crows and Port will be top 8 teams by 3 years time while Sydney are stuck in the midle of the ladder going no where in three years time. That is why you are the laughing stock. Sydney is like a dt full of mid pricers yeah you might average 1900 consistently but you wont really get anywhere. Port and Crows are like a dt full of rookies, you have to put up with shower scores at the start but by the end you have a team of premiums

I didn't mean that the SA teams are no good, but using them to explain why the Swans suck just doesn't work. The Swans have done very well with their recruitments, both in trade week and the drafts, allowing them to play finals in the majority of the last decade. Can any of the SA teams say that? Adelaide have "made poor decisions..."

And one last thing: DT excellence does not equal AFL excellence. It's the whole champion team vs team of champions thing

[TheMailman]

I'm really getting sick of teams using loss of experience as their "everthing excuse" to when it comes to AFL.

GWS and GC may be able to use at this stage but really, its not as if Port or Adelaide lost all of their "best players" in one season.

You guys were in the exact same boat as Sydney as well as any other club. The fact that Sydney no longer needs to drop to the bottom of the ladder, get 8 or 9 top 10 drafts picks before it can get all the way back to number one should earn them respect.

[ossie85]

Tend to agree Mailman. I'm noticing a trend of late that the top teams are staying top for longer. Really think that if a club has top notch facilities and A-grade trainers, recruiters, conditioners and coaches - well, it doesn't really matter what pick you get.

Geelong has been in the top 4 for 5 years in a row, the Magpies haven't missed the finals since 2005, the Saints haven't really bottomed out for well over a decade, and the Eagles bounced back incredibly quickly.

[PowerBug]

And one last thing: DT excellence does not equal AFL excellence. It's the whole champion team vs team of champions thing

But you can ask yourself another question. Do you want a "team" or do you want to "win"? I know which one i'd prefer.

[The F.A.R.K.]

South Australians really are twisted. Do they think that winning the spoon is the aim of the game?

seriously...... Crows and Port are in rebuilding stages and everyone who actually follows afl should know that. Crows are rebuilding from soem poor decisions from senior staff over last 5 years and port are rebuilding after their run to the gf in 2007. Over the last 5 years crows and port have lost very experienced players and therefore are now filled with teams of youth. Crows and Port will be top 8 teams by 3 years time while Sydney are stuck in the midle of the ladder going no where in three years time. That is why you are the laughing stock. Sydney is like a dt full of mid pricers yeah you might average 1900 consistently but you wont really get anywhere. Port and Crows are like a dt full of rookies, you have to put up with shower scores at the start but by the end you have a team of premiums

I didn't mean that the SA teams are no good, but using them to explain why the Swans suck just doesn't work. The Swans have done very well with their recruitments, both in trade week and the drafts, allowing them to play finals in the majority of the last decade. Can any of the SA teams say that? Adelaide have "made poor decisions..."

And one last thing: DT excellence does not equal AFL excellence. It's the whole champion team vs team of champions thing

I used the dt reference to try and bring it into terms. I wasnt saying afl is dt i was saying that the swans are like a midpriced team. They arent a mid priced team but in reference they will average ok (i.e 8 or 9 on ladder) but they wont improve. They might have a few midpricers break into premium (hanners and jack) but most will just sit and do their job. Then I referenced that Port and Crows are like a team of rookies. At the start they are shower but by the end you have a team with a great mixture of guns, midpricers and downgrades. Port and Crows are hitting what would be equivalent of round 12 in dt terms. They have downgraded all their rookies and are starting to get guns

TBH i dont have the time on my hands to search and present statistics and even if i did i dont really care. Those are my opinions and I know they are opinions of others so that is all. Port have lost a whole premiership side and and now have a team full of youngsters and pick ups off other clubs it is not their everything excuse im just saying they are in that rebuilding stage. Geelong dont have that many years left until they start to lose all of their guns but they are lucky because they have youth that has already broken out i.e selwood

[SydneyRox]

I dont mind you having an opinion, just make sure it is based in something that resembles reality, if you cant or wont back up your sweeping generalisations with some fact, dont be surprised if you have people ready to disagree with you.

All we really can talk about is this year, since a lot can change in 12months. We only have to wait until 14th April to see how Sydney and Port go against each other and I dont think it will be pretty.
I will be very confident to predict Sydney will finish top 6 or better again this year, and depending on the improvement from some of the younger players will have a serious crack at a prelim final.
Port will only not finish last because of GWS, they were lucky last year not to finish last to a brand new team.

[The F.A.R.K.]

Port are about a season behind the crows. Crows will be garunteed top 8 port are still rebuilding but they are on the right track and on the up. Im looking more at the long term picture