BYE PLANNER SAMPLE - how my bye trading setup is looking

[SilentBob]

if you have 2 backs 2 mids 2 forwards 2 rucks   from round 11   teams
3 or 4 backs  3 or 4 mids  3 or 4 forwards and 1 ruck  from round  12  teams
3 or 4  backs  3 or 4 mids  3 or 4 forwards and 1 ruck from round 13  teams   

you will have no dognuts at all

You sure??
I think you may have confused yourself with your '3 or 4' in each line for round 12 & 13 ... remember you have 9 backs, 8 mids (4 rucks) & 9 forwards to account for ...

[Colliwobblers]

you cannot avoid 2 donuts without using dpp rucks, it is that simple, and 2 is only the minimum if anyone is not playing (rested or injured) then you will get more :)

all you can do is setup your starting team and trade towards the byes to get a structure that lets you decide when and where the donuts will be scored.

the structure doesnt matter it doesnt have to be 8-11-11 it can be 9-10-11 it can be 8-12-10 it can be a number of combinations and the only difference it makes is what trades you need to do during rounds 12 and 13 and what rounds your donuts will be eaten during :)

[SilentBob]

What are people's thoughts on using DPP rucks during the season (especially around bye time obviously) to cover for the donuts?
The dilemma this year is that there are hardly any DPP Rucks this year & the only ones likely of seeing much game time are Hawks Hale & Roughhead (injury permitting - though with Bailey going down, Hale seems to be doing OK), with Carlton's Rowe being an outside chance.
Is it worth it to use Hale & Roughhead (assuming they're playing) to try to avoid the dreaded donut during the bye rounds (apart from other potential issues like Swanny heading to Arizona mid season, etc)??

[Colliwobblers]

hale and roughead are good scorers and wouldn't be terrible picks but you lose that many points to the premium rucks every round for 10 rounds up to the byes and then burn a trade just to cover a donut that costs you a maximum 100 points? or two donuts if you manage to cover both donuts.

Not worth it imo.

However if you look at the most picked players in DT there are a LOT of coaches that have take DPP ruck rooks that will never play, obviously with a hale or roughead to do exactly what you suggest.

if you do it with the rooks you lose cash cows such as redden big o and lose money its a cost whichever way you use dpp rucks

[SilentBob]

hale and roughead are good scorers and wouldn't be terrible picks but you lose that many points to the premium rucks every round for 10 rounds up to the byes and then burn a trade just to cover a donut that costs you a maximum 100 points? or two donuts if you manage to cover both donuts.

Not worth it imo.

However if you look at the most picked players in DT there are a LOT of coaches that have take DPP ruck rooks that will never play, obviously with a hale or roughead to do exactly what you suggest.

if you do it with the rooks you lose cash cows such as redden big o and lose money its a cost whichever way you use dpp rucks

Given that Roughhead isn't playing yet, I was thinking something more along the lines of putting Hale in the forward line (possibly from round 1 - he seems to be scoring well when he is the main ruckman & was reasonable last year when playing most of his time as a forward) as a mid-pricer & possibly bringing in Roughhead as a forward upgrade around round 9/10 (just before the byes, which allows a forward rookie to gain value) ... and then doing trades in round 13 to upgrade 2 rookie rucks to other good forwards & put Hale & Roughhead on the ruck bench for their R13 bye to avoid the donuts.
Yes, it uses possibly more trades than I would like, but it avoids donuts & puts decent players on the park (assuming I've got the cash to do this by the time the bye weeks come around).
It also puts additional pressure to make sure the starting team is good enough to survive until round 8/9 with minimal changes ... but it just might work ...

[Colliwobblers]

hale and roughead are good scorers and wouldn't be terrible picks but you lose that many points to the premium rucks every round for 10 rounds up to the byes and then burn a trade just to cover a donut that costs you a maximum 100 points? or two donuts if you manage to cover both donuts.

Not worth it imo.

However if you look at the most picked players in DT there are a LOT of coaches that have take DPP ruck rooks that will never play, obviously with a hale or roughead to do exactly what you suggest.

if you do it with the rooks you lose cash cows such as redden big o and lose money its a cost whichever way you use dpp rucks

Given that Roughhead isn't playing yet, I was thinking something more along the lines of putting Hale in the forward line (possibly from round 1 - he seems to be scoring well when he is the main ruckman & was reasonable last year when playing most of his time as a forward) as a mid-pricer & possibly bringing in Roughhead as a forward upgrade around round 9/10 (just before the byes, which allows a forward rookie to gain value) ... and then doing trades in round 13 to upgrade 2 rookie rucks to other good forwards & put Hale & Roughhead on the ruck bench for their R13 bye to avoid the donuts.
Yes, it uses possibly more trades than I would like, but it avoids donuts & puts decent players on the park (assuming I've got the cash to do this by the time the bye weeks come around).
It also puts additional pressure to make sure the starting team is good enough to survive until round 8/9 with minimal changes ... but it just might work ...

A couple of issues with this

1. you then have your best 2 rucks on the field and roughhead and hale on the ruck bench, but no dpp ruck fwds in your fwd line to bring them back into the fwd line, so after the byes you need another two trades to get them out of your rucks into your fwds or out altogether.

2. If you use 2 trades in round 12 on the rucks you will alomost certainly have 2 donuts in either your fwd mid or def lines.

to explain for example if you go into the round 11 with a bye player structure round 11 / round 12 / round 13   of 8-11-11

you have 0 donuts round 11.
you use 3 trades in round 12 to reduce round 12 bye players to 8 and get no donuts.
in round 13 you would have 11 players on the bye with 8 bench spots so the 2 rookie rucks you plan to trade out would have to be round 13 bye players, plus you trade out 1 other round 13 bye player so you only have 8 left for the 8 bench spots.

I am not sure there are 2 DPP round 13 bye rookies - havent checked but they will need to be for this to work...

* in summary Hale is a good option, BUT if he scores just 10 points per game less than a similar priced FWD for the first 10 rounds the donut you avoid is cancelled out as you have already lost the same points.

[SilentBob]

hale and roughead are good scorers and wouldn't be terrible picks but you lose that many points to the premium rucks every round for 10 rounds up to the byes and then burn a trade just to cover a donut that costs you a maximum 100 points? or two donuts if you manage to cover both donuts.

Not worth it imo.

However if you look at the most picked players in DT there are a LOT of coaches that have take DPP ruck rooks that will never play, obviously with a hale or roughead to do exactly what you suggest.

if you do it with the rooks you lose cash cows such as redden big o and lose money its a cost whichever way you use dpp rucks

Given that Roughhead isn't playing yet, I was thinking something more along the lines of putting Hale in the forward line (possibly from round 1 - he seems to be scoring well when he is the main ruckman & was reasonable last year when playing most of his time as a forward) as a mid-pricer & possibly bringing in Roughhead as a forward upgrade around round 9/10 (just before the byes, which allows a forward rookie to gain value) ... and then doing trades in round 13 to upgrade 2 rookie rucks to other good forwards & put Hale & Roughhead on the ruck bench for their R13 bye to avoid the donuts.
Yes, it uses possibly more trades than I would like, but it avoids donuts & puts decent players on the park (assuming I've got the cash to do this by the time the bye weeks come around).
It also puts additional pressure to make sure the starting team is good enough to survive until round 8/9 with minimal changes ... but it just might work ...

A couple of issues with this

1. you then have your best 2 rucks on the field and roughhead and hale on the ruck bench, but no dpp ruck fwds in your fwd line to bring them back into the fwd line, so after the byes you need another two trades to get them out of your rucks into your fwds or out altogether.

2. If you use 2 trades in round 12 on the rucks you will alomost certainly have 2 donuts in either your fwd mid or def lines.

to explain for example if you go into the round 11 with a bye player structure round 11 / round 12 / round 13   of 8-11-11

you have 0 donuts round 11.
you use 3 trades in round 12 to reduce round 12 bye players to 8 and get no donuts.
in round 13 you would have 11 players on the bye with 8 bench spots so the 2 rookie rucks you plan to trade out would have to be round 13 bye players, plus you trade out 1 other round 13 bye player so you only have 8 left for the 8 bench spots.

I am not sure there are 2 DPP round 13 bye rookies - havent checked but they will need to be for this to work...

* in summary Hale is a good option, BUT if he scores just 10 points per game less than a similar priced FWD for the first 10 rounds the donut you avoid is cancelled out as you have already lost the same points.

Although I understand where you're coming from, I don't think its entirely without some merit ...

1. The main point for all of this to work is that prior to round 11, you need Hale & Roughhead (if we're using them as examples) in your team on the field & in the forward line. When it comes to round 13 & Hawthorn have their bye, you trade out your rookie rucks who have already had their bye (eg: Giles & Stephenson) & have your other two rucks who have had their bye (hopefully premiums like Cox & Mumford) on the field. You then bring in two forwards (the new 3-way trade rules make this possible) who have already had their bye to play on the field in the forward line ...
Of course when you end up with a ruck division of something like Cox, Mumford, Hale & Roughhead after the bye rounds, then its a case of overkill & a waste of money on the bench, so you might want to use more trades & trade two of them out & bring in rookies & upgrade elsewhere.

2. As others are realising, it requires an 8/11/11 bye structure at round 11, with all players playing their non-bye rounds to avoid donuts elsewhere ... difficult, but not impossible if things fall your way ...

Of course there's nothing to say you need Hale in your team from round 1 - you might want to bring him in around say round 7 or 8 ... but he needs to be in your forward line before the bye rounds & transfer to the rucks in round 13 (trading out 2 ruck rookies & bringing in 2 forwards)

In theory it avoids the donuts (all other things going your way), but my question would be would the trades needed to do it (possibly 2 extra trades before the byes, as well as 2 extra trades after the byes) be worth the extra say 150 points you might get from the 2 extra forwards on the field during the bye rounds rather than 2 donuts & saving the trades?

[Colliwobblers]

yeah look it will be a smart enough move and roughead will be a keeper so next fwd you up/downgrade you move him to the fwd line and keep him, same might be the case for hale even.

i guess you shouldnt start them both especially roughead so you can see how your trades are going before you do this, if you have plenty left as you say it is a viable option.

GL i am sure all planning and thinking on this will still have us all tearing our hair come round 11 :)

[SilentBob]

yeah look it will be a smart enough move and roughead will be a keeper so next fwd you up/downgrade you move him to the fwd line and keep him, same might be the case for hale even.

i guess you shouldnt start them both especially roughead so you can see how your trades are going before you do this, if you have plenty left as you say it is a viable option.

GL i am sure all planning and thinking on this will still have us all tearing our hair come round 11 :)

Exactly ... I'm sure someone will throw the curve ball & decide that say Swan, Pendles, Buddy & Goddards will all do the Arizona-like trip around their bye & we'll be stuck with donuts elsewhere ... but I've got to think positive & hope things are going as planned in a few months time with all 30 in my team getting game time!
I really think Job Security is going to be a big factor in team selection this year ... and most definitely around bye time!

[Crows84]

this may help with bye planning, i found this on another website

http://footynerd.com/

Drag Footynerd! to your Bookmarks Bar. (on the page drag the highlighted "Footynerd)


this will overlay on the dt website what round players have byes

[Justin Bieber]

this may help with bye planning, i found this on another website

http://footynerd.com/

Drag Footynerd! to your Bookmarks Bar. (on the page drag the highlighted "Footynerd)


this will overlay on the dt website what round players have byes

Doesn't it stuff up your browser?? Or has the bugs been fixed?

[Crows84]

hasnt yet, but i am using firefox

[Colliwobblers]

handy tool makes what you already should know by which player it is by now eaier to see at a glance, works on all games too DT SC SB Sportal.

Thanks for the link.

[glam77]

looking at my squad i think i'm best just tanking in round 11 (currently looking at 2 backs 2mids 2 fwd 0's)

and then going hell for leather in rounds 12 and 13 (3 trades will cover all my 0's over these 2 rounds).
will need 2 fwds in 12 and 1 back in 13 (assuming others are all still playing and fit)

If i try to fix issues in round 11 then i'm just going to be making things worse for the following 2 mulit-bye rounds

[Colliwobblers]

funny how the season and the injuries and the total saturation of round 11 rook options only derails the best laid plans.

Still without making the amount of sideways trades needed to get down to the minimum 2 donuts I am in good shape to only have to eat 4.

hows your team looking a week out ?