Pendles And Swan - How good are they?

[auscoyote]

Dont ya just luv this time of year when ya get to change your team around. Players coming in and going out and then coming back in again.

So on my sc team 2012 mach II and ive just dumped swan :-\. My question is can you get away with not having at least one of either swan or pendles in your team from the get go. Last year i had both from the start and patted myself on the back all season for it as they carried me to the top 50 by round nine.Alas i drifted back out by years end but thats a different story.

They are both elite guns but are they too pricey to start off with? I had swan in and was planning to upgrade to pendles after the buy. However now i have dumped swan and have gaz, jelwood boyd and barlow. Have upgraded my forward line slightly added some dpps that match and my whole team seems more balanced. Especially when you have to have one eye looking slightly ahead for those dreadful byes

So i'm happy with the way the team looks at the moment and will no doubt change it another 100 times before the first bounce but i just cant get my head around not having at least one of the collingwood stars in the middle for round one.(and this coming from a W/Coast supporter) Does anyone know how they have been training pre season? is bucks going to cause any side effects in any way? Can i afford not to have one of them for the first 12 rounds? Will they keep their B/E?

All good questions i think so i would love to hear your thoughts as i have been quite impressed with the knowledge im reading hear at Fan Footy. Also on a side note would love to join some private leagues if anyone has a spot. I usually go for overall though. Finished last year 642 with the team W.A Dogs.

aahh Supercoach, Ya Gotta love it! Best of Luck to you all with ya planning.

[Colliwobblers]

hey nice post auscoyote

and good luck to you too. my opinion is a premium is a premium and which one makes little difference whether you start them or plan to upgrade to them isnt a huge issue.

the only comment on the two mighty pies your post mention is MAKE SURE you have a viable captain choice from round 1. In SC there is more than there is in DT, but still you would want GAJ or JUDD or one of the super premiums capable of pushing out the big scores to pick as your captain, if not pendles or swan you only need a suitable captain replacement.

[lozza63]

Dont ya just luv this time of year when ya get to change your team around.
My question is can you get away with not having at least one of either swan or pendles in your team from the get go.

They are both elite guns but are they too pricey to start off with? I had swan in and was planning to upgrade to pendles after the buy. However now i have dumped swan and have gaz, jelwood boyd and barlow. Have upgraded my forward line slightly added some dpps that match and my whole team seems more balanced.
Does anyone know how they have been training pre season? is bucks going to cause any side effects in any way? Can i afford not to have one of them for the first 12 rounds? Will they keep their B/E?
I usually go for overall though. Finished last year 642 with the team W.A Dogs.

Hey auscoyote - lots to ponder here. Congrats on last years ranking. All the best for this year!

Are they too pricey? Swan as we recall had a terrible mid season patch last year there due to cumulative soreness (really obvious in the Crows game) - which saw him jet off to Arizona pre the Melb game. He hit back really hard of course. The fact is with him, he has averaged around 124 for three years - so no he is very well priced, with a history of durability (to date anyway).
Pendles - i am flabbergasted at the amount of sides not starting with him! How can we not? He has been improving his sc scoring every year and is now barely 24 - by my reckoning the beginning of a "sweet spot" in a footballers fantasy career - not many average 129 at 23 - can see no signs of him slowing down yet - improving again is more likely! As far as i know both their preseasons are going well so far.
Bucks should in no way affect their fantasy productivity imo with negative roles - these two are both programmed as play makers that impact the scoreboard - one by pure gut running work rate, the other by amazing artistry - if you are Bucks you are asking for more of the same please lads! Of course BEs are not important with these two - for me it's about banking their seasons points - buying 2 blue chip commodities.
My strongest recommendation is to add one back, even if you sacrifice your 4-4 mid structure to 3-5 to accommodate either. Boyd and Barlow as good as they are, will not imo outscore those two - Matt's disposal efficiency/tackling (read Pendles), goal scoring/possession ability (read Swanny) is not quite there. Barlow still represents significant risk - can he last all year and be top 7/8 total points scoring mid in the comp?

[auscoyote]

Yeah thanks guys.

You sold me again lozza. Ya dead right!  I was just trying to get greedy by fitting cox in the ruck as well. Mind you he averages 10ppg more than other rucks in a good year and pendles and swan 10-15ppg more than than other gun mids in good year. Which is saying alot. I agree with ya, pendles is the complete package going strength to strength each year. Brownlow territory for sure, unfortunately i cant afford him. But never say never.I might squeeze him in somehow or at least recall swanny lol

Its just the byes doing my head in.They are going to be way harder than last year. Still it's all part of the fun.
Note - Finding supercoach gold real handy at the moment.

[Lions01]

The only problem with starting with Gaz, Selwood, Boyd and Barlow is that your really "locked in" to getting Swan and Pendlebury as your upgrade targets as both i think are "must haves" by season end.

Come the middle of the year there is always as quality premium that is underpriced and pretty hard to ignore, i like to leave my 6th midfielder for this exact role. Last year for me it was Hodge i got him in just after the Gold Coast game, i never had any intention of getting him in but could pass him up, i ended up getting a player that averaged from then on 115 for 440k.

My point is that you don't have much flexibility when it comes to upgrading your midfield, if Pendlebury and Swan are scoring extremely well when you need to upgrades your mids your going to pay a premium to get these must haves.

My team at the moment has Ablett, Swan, Selwood, Barlow. (not sure Swan may become Pendlebury ) but my 5 midfielder will be the other Premium Pie and the 6th I've left open to the best candidate come upgrade season.

[Impromptu]

I have Swan but not Pendles.

Agree you need at least one, but not necessarily both of Pendles/Swan.

Equation is really you need 2 of Ablett/Swan/Pendles.  By having Swan/Pendles, you eliminate getting Selwood (ie same bye).

[ben_020285]

I have Swan but not Pendles.

Agree you need at least one, but not necessarily both of Pendles/Swan.

Equation is really you need 2 of Ablett/Swan/Pendles.  By having Swan/Pendles, you eliminate getting Selwood (ie same bye).

Hey Jay. Nice work with the win last year. I'm very keen to see what structure you're planning to go with this year. Care to share?  ;)

[valkorum]

hey nice post auscoyote

and good luck to you too. my opinion is a premium is a premium and which one makes little difference whether you start them or plan to upgrade to them isnt a huge issue.

the only comment on the two mighty pies your post mention is MAKE SURE you have a viable captain choice from round 1. In SC there is more than there is in DT, but still you would want GAJ or JUDD or one of the super premiums capable of pushing out the big scores to pick as your captain, if not pendles or swan you only need a suitable captain replacement.

I disagree with this statement - especially when you are considering chasing overall rank.  Lets look at the top 5 ranked midfielders (with 22 games) and total points scored

2,843 - Pendlebury
2,626 - NDS
2,597 - Murphy
2,542 - Judd
2,541 - Boyd

Pendlebury is 200+ points ahead of everyone while the next 4 are only separated by 85 points.   Lets take in to consideration the scores of Gaz and Swan (in top 5 but didnt play 22 games).

2,561 - Swan (21 games)
2,542 - Gaz (20 games)

Adding their average to bring their totals to 22 games gives you:

2,683 - Swan
2,796 - Gaz

While all 7 of these players are considered premiums I would personally want to start with at least 2 out the top 3 mids (I would choose Pendles and Gaz).  You do pay an extra premium price for them but they are clearly ahead of the rest and those extra 300+ points (choosing Pendles & Gaz vs any of the other premiums) will make a big diference to your overall rank.

Adding those extra 300 points to my overall would have taken me from an overall of 2167 to around the 1100 mark.

[Sabretooth Tigers]

 ;) ;) :-\ 8)
They're both very good and worth the money, but with a $10,000,000 salary cap one has to be a little frugal. At the present have taken the top priced player in every line, purely and simply because they're the best. It always seems harder to accumulate the required cash for top guns during the season, so have punted on the toppies. Cheers.

[Swallow12]

I'd go Swan but leave Pendles an upgrade

[Torress]

well mate they are good. i didn't start either of these two last year but i got them in quick smart! and my last mid was a swallow and he got like a high 190 odd the week i traded him in.

last year i spent too much on forwards, they lost value and i found myself about 13,000 early on. ended up getting it to 1144 as i had a sweet run home and got very lucky i must admit with avoiding donuts.
if i had started atleast one of these guys i would of been better off.

i think you must have atleast one. i guess which one is up to you.
much of a muchness really, just grab one this decision won't make or break you that much compared to other decisions to make out there. i like what lozza had to say about pendles - has only gone one way so far in his career fantasy wise, the guy just plays 22 a year as well. i lean towards swan due to pendles being 700k!!!!!

[AndrewY]

The Pies are a side playing a brand of footy that suits Swan and Pendles unless Bux changes the possession and chase down style of Mick. Thats why they score so well. Comparisons of stats is one thing but style of play over the pre season by teams (especially with new coaching panels) is another....IMO

[Gooner]

It's a tough call.  Swan finishes the season well and Pendles starts it well, so that suggests Pendles is the way to go.

However, Pendles is a lot more expensive and should drop in price during the season. 

I'd take the points from Pendles early and bank them.  Pendles will be my captain most weeks (as he was for the entire season last year) and therefore his extra points will be doubled.

Normally I agree that you'd take the better value player, but when it comes to captains, go for the highest scoring.

[yorgis]

when your opponent has swan as captain and scores 250-300 you'll kill yourself for not picking him from the start

irrespective of his price [pendles also to a slightly lesser extent] gotta have at least 1 of them i reckon

[cortez]

Atm i have GAJ, Swan, Murphy and Selwood. Pendlebury wil be definately an upgrade target abd i pray to god that he has 1 or 2 bad games around the time i wanna put him in. I think 2 of ablett swan and pendlebury is a must have otherwise you will fall behind.