Speculators first submission

Speculator · January 24, 2012, 03:18:38 PM

This is the latest of many incarnations but the first one I've posted here. What are your thoughts people?

Speculator's Spectres - Salary cap left: $17,300.

Brendon Goddard, Brett Deledio, Greg Broughton, Jack Grimes, Brian Lake, Marty Clarke, Brandon Ellis
Tim Mohr, Beau Wilkes

Gary Ablett jnr, Bryce Gibbs, Michael Barlow, Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel, Dayne Zorko
Luke Brown, James McDonald

Matthew Leuenberger, Nic Naitanui
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson

Lance Franklin, Paul Chapman, Dustin Martin, Nick Riewoldt, Steele Sidebottom, Jonathan Brown, Alan Didak
Adam Treloar, Tory Dickson

alexross · January 24, 2012, 05:13:53 PM

Not too sure on Gibbs as he will be the 3rd mid for Carlton.

Also i would wait to see how Ross Lyon plays broughton before i took him.

Nic Nat is coming off surgery and he might have a slow start because of that.

A little risky having brown and didak in the same team. i would trade out one of them and use the money in the midfield to either upgrade Gibbs or Barlow.

Other than that a very good team.

Luigi197 · January 24, 2012, 06:56:02 PM

looks like a great team!

not sold on starting 3 rookies, but might work, although i dont advise it..
and i think Didak + Sidebottom spells disaster. with Didak there are no guarantees ANYMORE of good scores, and Sidebottom i would think is a slight bit over-rated.

8.5/10 :)

Colliwobblers · January 24, 2012, 09:27:32 PM

Quote from: Luigi197 on January 24, 2012, 06:56:02 PM
looks like a great team!

not sold on starting 3 rookies, but might work, although i dont advise it..
and i think Didak + Sidebottom spells disaster. with Didak there are no guarantees ANYMORE of good scores, and Sidebottom i would think is a slight bit over-rated.

8.5/10 :)

How do you plan to avoid starting some rooks like at least 2 in most lines (d/m/f) ? mid priced players? just wondering. I agree with your comments on all the teams just this point i wonder how best to overcome without haveing a ton of midpriced (risky?) players instead of the guns/rooks approach.

On teh team as i said +1 to Luigi looks like the right rating and agree with the comments.

Luigi197 · January 24, 2012, 10:17:08 PM

Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 24, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
Quote from: Luigi197 on January 24, 2012, 06:56:02 PM
looks like a great team!

not sold on starting 3 rookies, but might work, although i dont advise it..
and i think Didak + Sidebottom spells disaster. with Didak there are no guarantees ANYMORE of good scores, and Sidebottom i would think is a slight bit over-rated.

8.5/10 :)

How do you plan to avoid starting some rooks like at least 2 in most lines (d/m/f) ? mid priced players? just wondering. I agree with your comments on all the teams just this point i wonder how best to overcome without haveing a ton of midpriced (risky?) players instead of the guns/rooks approach.

On teh team as i said +1 to Luigi looks like the right rating and agree with the comments.

IMO in terms of rookies STARTING

1 or 2 in backline, while you could have a cheap fallen premium (i.e Lake)
3 or 2 in mids. prefer 2 IMO.
1 or 2 in fwd, while you could have a cheap fallen premium (i.e Porpz)

Ringo · January 24, 2012, 10:18:37 PM

Another sound team

Def: Enough has been said in posts about Lake and Grimes
Mids: Not a fan of Gibbs in mids but he may prove me wrong. Also a risk with starting 3 rookies in this line. May pay off but you may be giving some ground with the 3/3 strategy.
Rucks: Just be wary that both Berger and Nic Nat have the bye in round 11. I prefer when setting up rucks to have your prems in different bye weeks. (Currently I have Berger and Sandi)
Forwards: IMO a little risky expecting Sidebottom, Riewoldt, Brown and Didak all to fire together from round 1. Maybe downgrade 1 to a rookie and get a 4th Prem in mids if cash allows.

Well constructed Team with plenty to work on. 7.5/10

DCAK · January 24, 2012, 10:24:56 PM

Quote from: Speculator on January 24, 2012, 03:18:38 PM

Speculator's Spectres - Salary cap left: $17,300.

Brendon Goddard, Brett Deledio, Greg Broughton, Jack Grimes, Brian Lake, Marty Clarke, Brandon Ellis
Tim Mohr, Beau Wilkes

Gary Ablett jnr, Bryce Gibbs, Michael Barlow, Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel, Dayne Zorko
Luke Brown, James McDonald

Matthew Leuenberger, Nic Naitanui
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson

Lance Franklin, Paul Chapman, Dustin Martin, Nick Riewoldt, Steele Sidebottom, Jonathan Brown, Alan Didak
Adam Treloar, Tory Dickson

Hi mate, midfield is too light on, you'll lose early rounds because of this. I'm of the opinion you need a more balanced team to be competitive early. With that in mind, the downgrade would have to come from your over-stacked fwd line. You will get much better value + price increase by selecting the right rookies over high risk options such as Didak. It seems you have a penchant for risk, your tac of selecting Lake, Grimes, Barlow, Brown and Didak is more risky than going bareback after picking up in a bar in Uganda after a huge night on the pop. But, to each his own, maybe you dig that?

PICCOLLO · January 24, 2012, 11:15:08 PM

Mids are fine but Gibbs needs to be changed for a top 5 mid. 2 guns and a midpricer is a good starting mid tactic. Chappy and nicnat are interesting picks but didak has to go.
Team 6/10.
Lots to like but so many question marks ( nroo, didak, nicnat, grimes, lake, gibbs, broughton, sidebottoml chappy) when you could have solid players without doubt over how they'll go.
The team has a bit of character mind you and isnt as samey as most.

Speculator · January 25, 2012, 01:17:37 PM

Quote from: Ringo on January 24, 2012, 10:18:37 PM
Another sound team

Def: Enough has been said in posts about Lake and Grimes
Mids: Not a fan of Gibbs in mids but he may prove me wrong. Also a risk with starting 3 rookies in this line. May pay off but you may be giving some ground with the 3/3 strategy.
Rucks: Just be wary that both Berger and Nic Nat have the bye in round 11. I prefer when setting up rucks to have your prems in different bye weeks. (Currently I have Berger and Sandi)
Forwards: IMO a little risky expecting Sidebottom, Riewoldt, Brown and Didak all to fire together from round 1. Maybe downgrade 1 to a rookie and get a 4th Prem in mids if cash allows.

Well constructed Team with plenty to work on. 7.5/10

Thanks for your feedback Ringo,
Point taken re Gibbs. I'm anticipating a Uber Premium breakout from Gibbs but if I don't see the signs in the NAB it will be Selwood who comes in. I like the fact that he has become a unique since losing his DPP.
The 3 rookie midfield is a tactic I've used before successfully so that one is a calculated risk. Ofcourse, the right midfield rookies need to emerge in the nab and be superior to any potential replacement forward/back rookies.
The NicNat/Berger bye is not a concern for me as I'm going for league only (lots of cash on the line here)
Point taken with regard to risky forwards. These guys will need to show me something in the preseason to fight out the numerous other contenders who are unlucky not to appear in this first draft.

Speculator · January 25, 2012, 01:20:36 PM

Quote from: Luigi197 on January 24, 2012, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 24, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
Quote from: Luigi197 on January 24, 2012, 06:56:02 PM
looks like a great team!

not sold on starting 3 rookies, but might work, although i dont advise it..
and i think Didak + Sidebottom spells disaster. with Didak there are no guarantees ANYMORE of good scores, and Sidebottom i would think is a slight bit over-rated.

8.5/10 :)

How do you plan to avoid starting some rooks like at least 2 in most lines (d/m/f) ? mid priced players? just wondering. I agree with your comments on all the teams just this point i wonder how best to overcome without haveing a ton of midpriced (risky?) players instead of the guns/rooks approach.

On teh team as i said +1 to Luigi looks like the right rating and agree with the comments.

IMO in terms of rookies STARTING

1 or 2 in backline, while you could have a cheap fallen premium (i.e Lake)
3 or 2 in mids. prefer 2 IMO.
1 or 2 in fwd, while you could have a cheap fallen premium (i.e Porpz)

Luigi, if you take a look at my team I think you will find that my starting rookie numbers are within the thresholds you have set above (1 back, 3 mid, 0 fwd)

Speculator · January 25, 2012, 01:30:59 PM

Quote from: alexross on January 24, 2012, 05:13:53 PM
Not too sure on Gibbs as he will be the 3rd mid for Carlton.

Also i would wait to see how Ross Lyon plays broughton before i took him.

Nic Nat is coming off surgery and he might have a slow start because of that.

A little risky having brown and didak in the same team. i would trade out one of them and use the money in the midfield to either upgrade Gibbs or Barlow.

Other than that a very good team.

Thanks Alexross,
As I have said above re Gibbs I am anticipating a step up from him this year to challenge the top mids,

With regard to Broughton I don't have the luxury of knowing Lyon's plans for him just yet, so he is selected on the proviso that the preseason will reveal him to have an attacking role in the team,

I am aware of NicNat's surgery but was not aware his preseason had been affected? I've heard nothing about him being in any rehab groups in fact I was under the impression that he had competed in most if not all of the preseason so far.
The surgery is in fact one of my reasons for selecting him because if he could average 92 last year playing hurt, imagine what he could do with a pain free body?

If, as you suggest, I downgrade Didak or Brown to upgrade Gibbs lets say, I'll end up with a truckload of cash just sitting in the kitty, and instead of having 2 premiums, I'll have a premium and a rookie. Thanks but no thanks.

Thanks for the feedback though, good stuff