2nd ruck

[Spirios]

I am of the opinion ruck is the position you always set and forget two prem rucks.

For the last 3 years I have set two of Cox, Mummy, Sandi, Goldstein and Jolly

IMO Cox, Mummy and Sandi are all about the right price and shouldnt deviate too far from current. (Injuries aside)

I look at it from the view of 100 points at a minimum from 2 prems week in, week out are far greater  than the possibility of 100 one week, 50 the next.

[Hippo]

I am of the opinion ruck is the position you always set and forget two prem rucks.

For the last 3 years I have set two of Cox, Mummy, Sandi, Goldstein and Jolly

IMO Cox, Mummy and Sandi are all about the right price and shouldnt deviate too far from current. (Injuries aside)

I look at it from the view of 100 points at a minimum from 2 prems week in, week out are far greater  than the possibility of 100 one week, 50 the next.

out of curiosity how has that worked for you in the past?

In previous yrs the winner has always gone against the grain in some shape or form.

There are alot of people who like the set and forget and thats fine, but what would the same people say if you posted a team last yr without Goddard.... Hey no way you have to have him would be a likely response. And all the same players prob didn't come within top 100 of Inpromt. Just be open to all options is all i,m saying and dont let previous yrs rules with yourselfs and everybody elses blind you.

If you where told that O and Giles would be starting first ruck rd 1 would you not entertain the idea

[miffysp]

Guys,
i have made the change in my team to 3 rook rucks and my team looks 5 times better now with a lot more set and forget players. i have posted the team in rate my supercoach:
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,45894.0.html
I definantly think its the way to go. But yeah each to there own.

[jasonweare]

I'm definitely flirting with the idea of a 3 rook ruck. Even though I going just prems/rooks this year. Money could
Be used to have enough for brown

[Footyrulz]

just get 2 premiums!!!!!!!

it will come back to haunt u otherwise!  ;)

[Kuruki]

Guys,
i have made the change in my team to 3 rook rucks and my team looks 5 times better now with a lot more set and forget players. i have posted the team in rate my supercoach:
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,45894.0.html
I definantly think its the way to go. But yeah each to there own.

It will come down to round 1 team sheets and NAB scores. At this stage Im going Prem - H Mac.  I think that is a happy middle ground for me at the moment.

[Torress]

Torress compare these scenarios:

Set and Forget
Mids - Pendles Ablett Murphy Selwood rook rook (rook rook)  points 486 + 2 x ???.
Rucs - Mummy Leuey                                       (Giles Stepho) points 215

Against
Mids - Pendles Ablett Murphy Selwood Swan rook (rook rook) points 608 + 1 x ???
Rucs- McEvoy Giles                                           (Stepho Rowe)  points 102 + ???

Now from this example you are on last years averages 9 points ahead plus an improving Selwood score vs the doubt that the xtra ruck rook will outscore the mid rook? Thing is the bility to correctly identify the next Curnow/Libba at the 106k range? Otherwise you must pay a premium for the Giants 1st rounders - this will affect the structure throughout the rest of the team though.
With a 4-4 mid structure who under 127k are we sure of selecting in the mids anyway - somehow the ruck 2 of the ruck rooks look fairly sure - with only R4 a little up in the air - still i fancy being able to sift through 3 or 4 possibilities ie Witts Rowe Derrickx far easier than the multitude of rookie mids!!!

It's touch and go but i feel more comfy with the stacked mids - given the improvement shown by the rookie rucks in the last two years ie Zac Smith, Bailey & Lobbe 2011 and to a lesser degree Trengove/Jacobs of 2010, NicNat/Kreuze 2009. The signs are reasonable though for the rookie rucks - with the points changes helping them out a little.

like it lozza!!  but starting pendles,swan,gaj,selwood,murphy is a bit unrealistic from the start!

on paper going with cheap rucks could be the difference if you use the money well elswhere ie stacked mids. but what if the rucks fail? big O and giles go down?? i do agree with you and the numbers don't lie as much as i'm an advocate for set and forget rucks, i do see the merrit in not doing this too.  end of the day the fact is if you don't set and forget you can get yourself in a big pile of mud and not have the boots for it. i see your point - its easier to get the ruck rooks right over selecting the best mid rooks.

all in all its great that everyone will be doing different tactics in regards to rucks this year rather than the same cox/sandi

[Murph03]

With my rucks ive always gone 1 prem & 1 mid, & it always seems I have to make 2 trades to get another prem in later and until i get that 2nd prem in I struggle against other teams with 2 gun ruckman.

So based on my past experiences, this will be my first year of locking in 2 premiums!










 

[upthemaidens]

i think ive said this in another thread, but if hamish can get enough TOG. i think u would be silly not to atleast look at him, his price and the fact he COULD be in the 90's avg.   ofcourse there is a risk/reward thing to take into account, he may not get regular games. north may decide that they will be to tall with him in the starting 22.  still i think he need consideration
  if he does play most games and lets say he's only getting around 75 avg. u could always upgrade to cox/sandi after the byes in the worst case scenario

[Cruiseon]

i think ive said this in another thread, but if hamish can get enough TOG. i think u would be silly not to atleast look at him, his price and the fact he COULD be in the 90's avg.   ofcourse there is a risk/reward thing to take into account, he may not get regular games. north may decide that they will be to tall with him in the starting 22.  still i think he need consideration
  if he does play most games and lets say he's only getting around 75 avg. u could always upgrade to cox/sandi after the byes in the worst case scenario

I agree but Hmac would be a second ruck. I would call him a mid former premium.

[upthemaidens]

i think ive said this in another thread, but if hamish can get enough TOG. i think u would be silly not to atleast look at him, his price and the fact he COULD be in the 90's avg.   ofcourse there is a risk/reward thing to take into account, he may not get regular games. north may decide that they will be to tall with him in the starting 22.  still i think he need consideration
  if he does play most games and lets say he's only getting around 75 avg. u could always upgrade to cox/sandi after the byes in the worst case scenario

I agree but Hmac would be a second ruck. I would call him a mid former premium.

yeah 2nd ruck,  that way if he doesnt start to well and giles goes off ,u can always bench hamish

[theta]

With my rucks ive always gone 1 prem & 1 mid, & it always seems I have to make 2 trades to get another prem in later and until i get that 2nd prem in I struggle against other teams with 2 gun ruckman.

So based on my past experiences, this will be my first year of locking in 2 premiums!

My experience too.  Anything less than two premiums feels more risky - in part this due to the restricted field to choose from when you do need to trade (I'd rather be trading forwards, mids and defence when someone gets injured).

[theta]

i think ive said this in another thread, but if hamish can get enough TOG. i think u would be silly not to atleast look at him, his price and the fact he COULD be in the 90's avg.   ofcourse there is a risk/reward thing to take into account, he may not get regular games. north may decide that they will be to tall with him in the starting 22.  still i think he need consideration
  if he does play most games and lets say he's only getting around 75 avg. u could always upgrade to cox/sandi after the byes in the worst case scenario

With Goldstein, Peds, Hamish AND Petrie, North are looking a little big and slow imo. a little wstcoastish?

Do they drop Peds to bring back Hamish?  Or do they let Hamish play in the reserves for a while?

Peds did well season.

[Colliwobblers]

peds up fwd hmac sharing the ruck with the main man and up fwd when not in ruck, the bombers played 3 talls/rucks north can do it too, is it right....hmmmm.....

[upthemaidens]

peds up fwd hmac sharing the ruck with the main man and up fwd when not in ruck, the bombers played 3 talls/rucks north can do it too, is it right....hmmmm.....

they can do it, but how will his scores be affected by the lack of ruck time.  barring nab and/or injury to one of their talls, im actually thinking against getting him now and going back to 2 premo ruck set-up... im sure that will change 20 times before final team... ::)