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[The F.A.R.K.]

in my opinion it is lose lose so it doesnt really matter and it doesnt really faze me

torps ruins his team structure but gains a young gun in heppell

nostra gets a much stronger team for the next year or two but also loses some good youth and replaces it with ageing stars

no one really wins

[TheMailman]

What is this obsession with people calling these guys ageing stars.

Every star ages. However quite obviously shown by Ablett (27) and Swan (28) that the 25-30 region is generally the best in a career.

Waters is 25. That's an untold amount of seasons.

Hodge is 27. That's at least 5-6 seasons

ROK is 31, which I'll admit to being an oldie in AFL. However, he's being traded for Niall Mckeever, a brisbane rookie


This is why I disagree with the trade and I kinda support PB's comment

[The F.A.R.K.]

i dont see these three playing on until past the age of 35

tbh hodge might have 2-3 years left max

waters is only 25 but sooooooooo injury prone

okeefe might have 1-2 years tops

[PowerBug]

I still think there's a rule this year that stupid trades get overturned if enough people disagree. And i for one am disagreeing with this trade.

l just want to say that l'm not getting narky, but am a bit disappointed by this comment PB......it almost sounds like you're trying to get others into joining your objection.

l had intended not joining any discussion about this trade, but felt that l now need to.

When l have read some of the other trades that have been done that seem to favour one party or another, l've actually thought "good on ya", and wished it had been me that had done it and not them.

So l'll try to outline my, and torps reasoning for this trade (please correct me if l dont explain it properly torps)
.....even though l really shouldn't have to.

From my point of view l needed to strengthen my point scoring ability, after my structures were decimated by having 6 players who were mpp when drafted, who subsequently had positional changes.
l didn't really want to lose Heppell or Clifton but hey you have to give to get, the downside for me is the age of both ROK and Hodge and their relatively shorter time left in the game

Torps' aim was to get good young players whilst getting rid of some of his older players.

Both torps and l are happy with the deal

Cheers, Nostradamus

Heppell >><< Hodge {} That is fair, Hodge scores more but Heppell has shown a fair bit in his one season. No objections.
Clifton >><< O'Keefe {} Clifton may have been picked up high in the draft, but he will not average 100 like Torp sadi he would, whilst O'keefe is a proven DT premium and is in a side which is in the top 8. He won't be dropping off this year, 80-95 avg still in him.
McKeever >><< Waters {} McKeever won't be playing a game this year, who cares how young he is, so that is 0 points for Torps. While Waters is someone who plays for a top 6 side and is playing a rebounding defender role. Yes, he may be coming back from injury but he's worth alot more than McKeever, i say he's worth just less than Clifton and McKeever.

[The F.A.R.K.]

pb you are really pissed at this hey

hahaha

heppell showers all over hodge they will av same this year and hodge is on way down while heppell is on the up\

clifton will probs only av 65-70 and js is a worry so yeah but he might increase this to 80-85 next year but rememeber he is a mature age, generally they dont improve their average much because they are already bulked up and have experience. MA players are short term fixes for clubs and can help them while their premiership window is open i.e pods, krack

okeefe probs has one maybe two years left and will decline over these next two years

waters is so injury prone and mceever is on the up but js is a huge worry

so in stats terms we say

heppell- 85-90
clifton- 70-80
mceever - 40-50 (js)
total- 195-220

hodge- 85-90
okeefe- 80-85
waters- 70-85 (injury)
total- 235-260

so yes nos does win on points this year but lets look at games over the next 5 years

heppell (5 seasons) roughly 100 games
Clifton (5 years 70% js) 70 games
Mceever (5 years 30% js) 30 games
total games 200

okeefe (2 years 90% js) 35 games
hodge (3 years 80% js) 50 games
waters (5 years injury included lets say 70%js) 70 games
total 155

so torps total over 5 years

200 x 195-220
=
3900-44000

nos over 5 years

155 x 235-260
= 36425- 40300

so really torps wins overall but remember that torps gains will be over next 5 years while nos gain will be over next 1-3 years so nos wins short term torps wins long term

obviously the players arent goign to score exactly what i predicted but it gives you a decent understanding. This trade is fair and ill put my hand up and say go ahead with it

sorry pb

[Torpedo10]

pb you are really pissed at this hey

hahaha

heppell showers all over hodge they will av same this year and hodge is on way down while heppell is on the up\

clifton will probs only av 65-70 and js is a worry so yeah but he might increase this to 80-85 next year but rememeber he is a mature age, generally they dont improve their average much because they are already bulked up and have experience. MA players are short term fixes for clubs and can help them while their premiership window is open i.e pods, krack

okeefe probs has one maybe two years left and will decline over these next two years

waters is so injury prone and mceever is on the up but js is a huge worry

so in stats terms we say

heppell- 85-90
clifton- 70-80
mceever - 40-50 (js)
total- 195-220

hodge- 85-90
okeefe- 80-85
waters- 70-85 (injury)
total- 235-260

so yes nos does win on points this year but lets look at games over the next 5 years

heppell (5 seasons) roughly 100 games
Clifton (5 years 70% js) 70 games
Mceever (5 years 30% js) 30 games
total games 200

okeefe (2 years 90% js) 35 games
hodge (3 years 80% js) 50 games
waters (5 years injury included lets say 70%js) 70 games
total 155

so torps total over 5 years

200 x 195-220
=
3900-44000

nos over 5 years

155 x 235-260
= 36425- 40300

so really torps wins overall but remember that torps gains will be over next 5 years while nos gain will be over next 1-3 years so nos wins short term torps wins long term

obviously the players arent goign to score exactly what i predicted but it gives you a decent understanding. This trade is fair and ill put my hand up and say go ahead with it

sorry pb

Thanks for your support F.ark.  I think McKeever will become pretty decent. He played last 10 games of last year and may still be an rookie but should be one of the 1st to be upgraded looking at him playing last 10 games of last year. Look at Hanley, played 10 games in 2010 and look at him now his avging 80 and is playing really well. I reckon he'll play games, get upgraded and should be in for an gr8 season for himself his only 22 too so still young.

If anybody needs backs I'm looking for young forwards and I've still got 2 trades left.  :)

[BGK]

The problem with McKeever Torp is he is a key back. He will never score well.

[The F.A.R.K.]

i wouldnt mind seeing brisbane moove mckeever up fwd with merrett and karnezis (bit like the jarrad waite or phil davis role where he can rotate thru chb and chf)

[Torpedo10]

i wouldnt mind seeing brisbane moove mckeever up fwd with merrett and karnezis (bit like the jarrad waite or phil davis role where he can rotate thru chb and chf)

F.ark, I think you mean Merrett and McGrath. I don't remember Karnezis ever playing CHB but It would be good for McKeever.

[The F.A.R.K.]

i think u misunderstood

merret and karnezis are already fwds but mckeever moving up fwd as a thrid tall to replace brown could be interesting

check ur pms mate

[PowerBug]

merret is a Full Back ???

And FARK isn't the coach of Brisbane so that will not happen.

[Torpedo10]

i think u misunderstood

merret and karnezis are already fwds but mckeever moving up fwd as a thrid tall to replace brown could be interesting

check ur pms mate

Ah I know what you mean now.  :) I have replied.

[Torpedo10]

merret is a Full Back ???

And FARK isn't the coach of Brisbane so that will not happen.

I think The Coach of Brisbane is probably thinking about that too PB even tho F.ark isn't the coach of the Lions. ;)

[PowerBug]

And yes, i am pissed about this trade. ;D

[The F.A.R.K.]

pb haha you have trades up your sleeve and some players that would draw a lot of interest why dont u get trading

i.e lids, sidebottom, fyfe, westhoff would bring in a fair bit

im not the coach of brisbane (or am i????? 8)  :o :o :o ;D ;) :'( :-[ ??? ::) :o ;D) but it would help the lions if they could move a tall defender up foward (not merrett coz he is useless up fwd) but a youngster to work with karnezis