The Draw!

[Torpedo10]

Sorry  if you misunderstood but the brownlow medal thing was just a fact not a argument. And c4v3m4n nice stats but you counted it right before North had their two premierships, if you counted it after 2000 or 2001 It would be a whole different story. And Essendon do have the better backs and If Petrie starts to kick straight then we just double team him. Sid is right, We shouldn't judge who will win by stats 15 years ago we have to look at stats, Strategies, The Ladder, Games won and that sort of thing over last year.

[roo boys!]

OK let's talk about last year then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TxUMRcMjRGs

[bomberboy0618]

C4, nice stats but anyone can twist them to their advantage. The fact is that North was formed in 1908, and has only won 4 premierships, and in the same time Essendon has won 14. And from 2000-2011, North has made no GF's and Essendon has made 2, winning 1.

[roo boys!]

C4, nice stats but anyone can twist them to their advantage. The fact is that North was formed in 1908, and has only won 4 premierships, and in the same time Essendon has won 14. And from 2000-2011, North has made no GF's and Essendon has made 2, winning 1.

And why exactly would you chose that timeframe? You could just as easily say from 1996-2011 we have been in three and won 2 and you have been in two and won 1...doesn't prove anything.

The fact is, we are incredibly evenly matched, which makes for a great round 1. Even Alex will be supporting North :)

[bomberboy0618]

C4, nice stats but anyone can twist them to their advantage. The fact is that North was formed in 1908, and has only won 4 premierships, and in the same time Essendon has won 14. And from 2000-2011, North has made no GF's and Essendon has made 2, winning 1.

And why exactly would you chose that timeframe? You could just as easily say from 1996-2011 we have been in three and won 2 and you have been in two and won 1...doesn't prove anything.

The fact is, we are incredibly evenly matched, which makes for a great round 1. Even Alex will be supporting North :)

That was the point I was trying to prove. Unless you present the whole picture, the argument is invalid, so saying C4 proved North was better is utter bullshower.

[Torpedo10]

And RB we were totally undermanned when we played you plus our captain was coming back from a hamstring injury! You guys were at full strength and we did a good job to stay within that. Why did you choose the 1996-2011 time frame when you did your stats? Why not do an earlier date? 1990? or 1989?

[c4v3m4n]

C4, nice stats but anyone can twist them to their advantage. The fact is that North was formed in 1908, and has only won 4 premierships, and in the same time Essendon has won 14. And from 2000-2011, North has made no GF's and Essendon has made 2, winning 1.

And why exactly would you chose that timeframe? You could just as easily say from 1996-2011 we have been in three and won 2 and you have been in two and won 1...doesn't prove anything.

The fact is, we are incredibly evenly matched, which makes for a great round 1. Even Alex will be supporting North :)

That was the point I was trying to prove. Unless you present the whole picture, the argument is invalid, so saying C4 proved North was better is utter bullshower.

I was looking at modern statistics. A flag from 1890-something isn't reflective of who you are now. The game has changed immensely since then. Hence why I choose the modern era. Also, like I said earlier, if you shift the statistics to the last 10 years (which evens up the flag count 0 to 0), North has still been more successful.

[bomberboy0618]

C4, nice stats but anyone can twist them to their advantage. The fact is that North was formed in 1908, and has only won 4 premierships, and in the same time Essendon has won 14. And from 2000-2011, North has made no GF's and Essendon has made 2, winning 1.

And why exactly would you chose that timeframe? You could just as easily say from 1996-2011 we have been in three and won 2 and you have been in two and won 1...doesn't prove anything.

The fact is, we are incredibly evenly matched, which makes for a great round 1. Even Alex will be supporting North :)

That was the point I was trying to prove. Unless you present the whole picture, the argument is invalid, so saying C4 proved North was better is utter bullshower.

I was looking at modern statistics. A flag from 1890-something isn't reflective of who you are now. The game has changed immensely since then. Hence why I choose the modern era. Also, like I said earlier, if you shift the statistics to the last 10 years (which evens up the flag count 0 to 0), North has still been more successful.

Either are your flags in the late 90s.
I measure success as GF berths, and in 2001-2011 its 1-0 Essendon's way.

[roo boys!]

And RB we were totally undermanned when we played you plus our captain was coming back from a hamstring injury! You guys were at full strength and we did a good job to stay within that. Why did you choose the 1996-2011 time frame when you did your stats? Why not do an earlier date? 1990? or 1989?

How were we at full strength?

Goldstein was injured...spent half that game on the bench. Hansen was out injured, and Grima and Wright had just come back from injury.

The hamstring injury didn't really seem to impact Watson..unless hamstrings prevent you from taking chest marks inside 50? ;)


You still have to win those grand finals though BB...

[bomberboy0618]

And RB we were totally undermanned when we played you plus our captain was coming back from a hamstring injury! You guys were at full strength and we did a good job to stay within that. Why did you choose the 1996-2011 time frame when you did your stats? Why not do an earlier date? 1990? or 1989?

How were we at full strength?

Goldstein was injured...spent half that game on the bench. Hansen was out injured, and Grima and Wright had just come back from injury.

The hamstring injury didn't really seem to impact Watson..unless hamstrings prevent you from taking chest marks inside 50? ;)


You still have to win those grand finals though BB...

Bloody hard to win one if you dont make one.

[roo boys!]

Especially if you haven't even made a prelim since '01.

[bomberboy0618]

Especially if you haven't even made a prelim since '01.

You havent made it past a prelim since '99.

[Torpedo10]

 The last 8 years have been a rebuilding stage because of Sheedy for Essendon since they had their good years from 1999-2001. North had their good years from 1996-1999. I would have thought North would have been top 4 contenders by now. If Goldstein was injured why did he play?

[roo boys!]

You got kicked out by a bowls club :P

[c4v3m4n]

C4, nice stats but anyone can twist them to their advantage. The fact is that North was formed in 1908, and has only won 4 premierships, and in the same time Essendon has won 14. And from 2000-2011, North has made no GF's and Essendon has made 2, winning 1.

And why exactly would you chose that timeframe? You could just as easily say from 1996-2011 we have been in three and won 2 and you have been in two and won 1...doesn't prove anything.

The fact is, we are incredibly evenly matched, which makes for a great round 1. Even Alex will be supporting North :)

That was the point I was trying to prove. Unless you present the whole picture, the argument is invalid, so saying C4 proved North was better is utter bullshower.

I was looking at modern statistics. A flag from 1890-something isn't reflective of who you are now. The game has changed immensely since then. Hence why I choose the modern era. Also, like I said earlier, if you shift the statistics to the last 10 years (which evens up the flag count 0 to 0), North has still been more successful.

Either are your flags in the late 90s.
I measure success as GF berths, and in 2001-2011 its 1-0 Essendon's way.

Let me get this straight then, according to your logic...for example...

A team that finishes towards the bottom of the ladder for 8 years yet manages to reach a GF (not win) is more successful than a team that makes the every final series for 10 years including prelim finals for 6 years of those? Just because they made that single GF berth?

You got kicked out by a bowls club :P