McIntosh trade talk

[North Melbournes Finest]

Whoever said that Essendon has a better ruck combo then Kangaroos should be banned from Fan Footy and I'm not joking.

Based on the argument that Holz made to say NM was better (or at least in the middle) then here you show your immense bias.
If the difference is so large that suggesting Essendon has better ruck stocks is laughable then why oh why do we have - more total hitouts, higher average hitouts per game and more clearances per game?

So you are in fact the person who should be 'banned from Fan Footy' for feeding the good people on this site pure crap. Good day!

OH SNAP!
I would pick WC's ruck combo every day over NM.

Oh snap what? Aside from the fact that was a lie and we still average the same amount of tap outs playing one ruckmen vs your 2 every game, as for total hitouts I guess we've played just as many games as you, oh wait....

Hamish hasn't played all year, so it's essentially
Goldstein and Petrie vs Hille and Ryder and Bellchambers and we were still on level peggings with you? That just shows how much better our ruck stock is when Hamish comes back.

Not to mention that before Hamish's injury he was considered to be the 3rd best ruckmen in the league, then you add to that Goldstein has arguably been the best ruckmen or more likely 2nd best ruckmen this year? About to come 2nd for most tapouts in a year in history? But I guess the ghost Ryder who plays one good game among 7 bad ones is just too good! Don't forget Hille is 30 and essentially has 1-2 years left.

Oh SNAP!

[AFEV]

It wasn't a lie according to champion data we average more hitouts than you. Hamish won't add anything to your ruck combo. Goldy already does everything and Petrie gives him sufficient rest time. He is useless to you. I didn't say anything about Hille I said Bellchambers which has been pointed out so he is irrelevant.
Most people would say WC has the best ruck combo by MILES. Cox with NicNat and Lycett waiting in the wings when he gets on.
I believe Ryder has been mismanaged this year, although Hird is starting to catch on, when he gets given a big role ie. playing on Cloke (and smashing him in a heavy loss) or lifting us over Geelong.

Anyway I don't care any more you probably think Hansen is a good key prospect as well ::)

EDIT: In other news we played the top 3 clearance teams twice (Coll/Syd/Carl) while you only played Collingwood twice.
Might have something to do with the fact that you'll probably finish the year with a dozen more clearances than us.

And our top 2 clearance players (Hocking/Watson) missed a substantial part of the year with injury.

[North Melbournes Finest]

Todd Golstein -
18 games played
Ranks 4th in hitouts to advantage average (10.9)
Ranks 1st in effective hitouts to advantage average (17.9)
Ranks 7th in clearances among ruckmen averaging (3.8)
Ranks 3rd among ruckmen for effective tackles

David Hille -
16 games played
Ranks 31st in hitouts to advantage average (4.4)
Ranks 29th in effective hitouts to advantage average (7.4)
Ranks 31st in clearances among ruckmen
Doesn't rank in the top 50 for effective tackles

Patrick Ryder -
20 games played
Ranks 32nd in hitouts to advantage average (4.4)
Ranks 33rd in effective hitouts to advantage average (6.4)
Ranked 32nd in clearances among ruckmen
Ranks 23rd for effective tackles out of ruckmen


Coincidentally all 3 ruckmen combined for Essendon average only .2 more clearances then Goldstein... Awkward. Those are some of the main stats that you'd attribute to ruckmen, and quite frankly, Goldstein showers on all of your ruckmen from a huge height. Bellchambers hardly counts because he's missed just under half a season. Didn't even have to mention that our backup ruckmen has kicked over 40 goals for the year, Oh SNAP!

[AFEV]

Well that is hardly fair. Ryder played half a dozen games forward (a position he doesn't like to play) and got about 5 touches a game, and stop bloody bringing Hille into the conversation, it has now been said 3 or 4 times that I never inferred he was a part of our best ruck combo or that he was even a decent ruckman. I believe he is well past it.

They are the key statistics for a traditional ruckman (and also the stats where, incidentally, Goldy does particularly well - subtle ::)) but when you consider the versatility of Ryder and the role he plays within the team it is a different ball game. When you can go onto the best forward in the competition and basically stop him dead in a 10+ goal loss you deserve some kind of medal.

Tell me this- What will Hmac do that Goldy currently doesn't? What will he improve? Does he bring some new dimension to the team?

[North Melbournes Finest]

Well that is hardly fair. Ryder played half a dozen games forward (a position he doesn't like to play) and got about 5 touches a game, and stop bloody bringing Hille into the conversation, it has now been said 3 or 4 times that I never inferred he was a part of our best ruck combo or that he was even a decent ruckman. I believe he is well past it.

They are the key statistics for a traditional ruckman (and also the stats where, incidentally, Goldy does particularly well - subtle ::)) but when you consider the versatility of Ryder and the role he plays within the team it is a different ball game. When you can go onto the best forward in the competition and basically stop him dead in a 10+ goal loss you deserve some kind of medal.

Tell me this- What will Hmac do that Goldy currently doesn't? What will he improve? Does he bring some new dimension to the team?

So it's my bias that I put in stats that are good for a ruckmen, that are also good stats for Goldy? Oh wow you would be "subtle" and drop that card in there.

Let me ask the question you should of asked and answer it.

"What will H Mac do for Kangaroos that Goldy doesn't?" While it's not so much that Hamish can do things that Goldy can't, it's that Hamish will give Goldy more of a chance to rest, while also winning hitouts for Kangas and keep Kangaroos clearance rate up, when Goldy isn't there.

P.S The reason Hille has been placed there is because he's played more games then him, and too me has been Essendons clear choice as #1 or #2 ruckmen.

[AFEV]

Well that is hardly fair. Ryder played half a dozen games forward (a position he doesn't like to play) and got about 5 touches a game, and stop bloody bringing Hille into the conversation, it has now been said 3 or 4 times that I never inferred he was a part of our best ruck combo or that he was even a decent ruckman. I believe he is well past it.

They are the key statistics for a traditional ruckman (and also the stats where, incidentally, Goldy does particularly well - subtle ::)) but when you consider the versatility of Ryder and the role he plays within the team it is a different ball game. When you can go onto the best forward in the competition and basically stop him dead in a 10+ goal loss you deserve some kind of medal.

Tell me this- What will Hmac do that Goldy currently doesn't? What will he improve? Does he bring some new dimension to the team?

So it's my bias that I put in stats that are good for a ruckmen, that are also good stats for Goldy? Oh wow you would be "subtle" and drop that card in there.

Let me ask the question you should of asked and answer it.

"What will H Mac do for Kangaroos that Goldy doesn't?" While it's not so much that Hamish can do things that Goldy can't, it's that Hamish will give Goldy more of a chance to rest, while also winning hitouts for Kangas and keep Kangaroos clearance rate up, when Goldy isn't there.

P.S The reason Hille has been placed there is because he's played more games then him, and too me has been Essendons clear choice as #1 or #2 ruckmen.

Well we are nearing the end of the season and Goldy hasn't slowed down at all. Surely he can handle the load with Petrie pinch hitting.

How long does Goldy need to rest each quarter? Maybe 5 minutes? What does Hmac do while Goldy is in the middle?

[pyronerd]

Well that is hardly fair. Ryder played half a dozen games forward (a position he doesn't like to play) and got about 5 touches a game, and stop bloody bringing Hille into the conversation, it has now been said 3 or 4 times that I never inferred he was a part of our best ruck combo or that he was even a decent ruckman. I believe he is well past it.

They are the key statistics for a traditional ruckman (and also the stats where, incidentally, Goldy does particularly well - subtle ::)) but when you consider the versatility of Ryder and the role he plays within the team it is a different ball game. When you can go onto the best forward in the competition and basically stop him dead in a 10+ goal loss you deserve some kind of medal.

Tell me this- What will Hmac do that Goldy currently doesn't? What will he improve? Does he bring some new dimension to the team?

So it's my bias that I put in stats that are good for a ruckmen, that are also good stats for Goldy? Oh wow you would be "subtle" and drop that card in there.

Let me ask the question you should of asked and answer it.

"What will H Mac do for Kangaroos that Goldy doesn't?" While it's not so much that Hamish can do things that Goldy can't, it's that Hamish will give Goldy more of a chance to rest, while also winning hitouts for Kangas and keep Kangaroos clearance rate up, when Goldy isn't there.

P.S The reason Hille has been placed there is because he's played more games then him, and too me has been Essendons clear choice as #1 or #2 ruckmen.

Hille is no-where near Essendons #1 or #2 ruckman, at best he is a forward who can play ruck

also I don't see 'effective hitouts to advantage' as a viable stat for a ruckman as the HTA's effectiveness is influenced more by the receiver of the HO

[North Melbournes Finest]

Well that is hardly fair. Ryder played half a dozen games forward (a position he doesn't like to play) and got about 5 touches a game, and stop bloody bringing Hille into the conversation, it has now been said 3 or 4 times that I never inferred he was a part of our best ruck combo or that he was even a decent ruckman. I believe he is well past it.

They are the key statistics for a traditional ruckman (and also the stats where, incidentally, Goldy does particularly well - subtle ::)) but when you consider the versatility of Ryder and the role he plays within the team it is a different ball game. When you can go onto the best forward in the competition and basically stop him dead in a 10+ goal loss you deserve some kind of medal.

Tell me this- What will Hmac do that Goldy currently doesn't? What will he improve? Does he bring some new dimension to the team?

So it's my bias that I put in stats that are good for a ruckmen, that are also good stats for Goldy? Oh wow you would be "subtle" and drop that card in there.

Let me ask the question you should of asked and answer it.

"What will H Mac do for Kangaroos that Goldy doesn't?" While it's not so much that Hamish can do things that Goldy can't, it's that Hamish will give Goldy more of a chance to rest, while also winning hitouts for Kangas and keep Kangaroos clearance rate up, when Goldy isn't there.

P.S The reason Hille has been placed there is because he's played more games then him, and too me has been Essendons clear choice as #1 or #2 ruckmen.

Well we are nearing the end of the season and Goldy hasn't slowed down at all. Surely he can handle the load with Petrie pinch hitting.

How long does Goldy need to rest each quarter? Maybe 5 minutes? What does Hmac do while Goldy is in the middle?

Provides a big target up real deep forward creating a terrible mismatch for opposition defenders. If you have Petrie around the 50 arc, and Hamish real deep I can see it working. You have Cambell/Harvey/Atley/Thomas crumbing to them adding speed.

[AFEV]

Well that is hardly fair. Ryder played half a dozen games forward (a position he doesn't like to play) and got about 5 touches a game, and stop bloody bringing Hille into the conversation, it has now been said 3 or 4 times that I never inferred he was a part of our best ruck combo or that he was even a decent ruckman. I believe he is well past it.

They are the key statistics for a traditional ruckman (and also the stats where, incidentally, Goldy does particularly well - subtle ::)) but when you consider the versatility of Ryder and the role he plays within the team it is a different ball game. When you can go onto the best forward in the competition and basically stop him dead in a 10+ goal loss you deserve some kind of medal.

Tell me this- What will Hmac do that Goldy currently doesn't? What will he improve? Does he bring some new dimension to the team?

So it's my bias that I put in stats that are good for a ruckmen, that are also good stats for Goldy? Oh wow you would be "subtle" and drop that card in there.

Let me ask the question you should of asked and answer it.

"What will H Mac do for Kangaroos that Goldy doesn't?" While it's not so much that Hamish can do things that Goldy can't, it's that Hamish will give Goldy more of a chance to rest, while also winning hitouts for Kangas and keep Kangaroos clearance rate up, when Goldy isn't there.

P.S The reason Hille has been placed there is because he's played more games then him, and too me has been Essendons clear choice as #1 or #2 ruckmen.

Well we are nearing the end of the season and Goldy hasn't slowed down at all. Surely he can handle the load with Petrie pinch hitting.

How long does Goldy need to rest each quarter? Maybe 5 minutes? What does Hmac do while Goldy is in the middle?

Provides a big target up real deep forward creating a terrible mismatch for opposition defenders. If you have Petrie around the 50 arc, and Hamish real deep I can see it working. You have Cambell/Harvey/Atley/Thomas crumbing to them adding speed.

Don't see it happening that is essentially the role that Petrie plays right now and why mess with something that is working well.
Most backlines will have 2 talls as well so not that much of a mismatch.

[North Melbournes Finest]

I don't understand how that makes him a worse ruck. What are you even arguing?

[Boomz]

Obviously the roos don't agree with u nmf or otherwise mcintosh would be playing. He offers nothing that Goldy & Petrie don't do.

[North Melbournes Finest]

Obviously the roos don't agree with u nmf or otherwise mcintosh would be playing. He offers nothing that Goldy & Petrie don't do.

Maybe because he's coming off one of the worst injuries you can have in footy and they're trying to get him fully match fit before bringing him back into the highest level. But oh no, ofcourse that can't be it!

[AFEV]

I don't understand how that makes him a worse ruck. What are you even arguing?

Based on talent and what we've seen, Hamish and Goldstein are clearly better than your guys.

I am saying Hmac has no place in your team.

Even if they are better (which I don't think they are) it is hardly 'clear.'
If anything I think Hmac will detract from the current ruck setup.

NMF Hmac will never reach the heights he did before his injury.

[Boomz]

Obviously the roos don't agree with u nmf or otherwise mcintosh would be playing. He offers nothing that Goldy & Petrie don't do.

Maybe because he's coming off one of the worst injuries you can have in footy and they're trying to get him fully match fit before bringing him back into the highest level. But oh no, ofcourse that can't be it!

Obviously you have never watched a VFL match.

[North Melbournes Finest]

Obviously the roos don't agree with u nmf or otherwise mcintosh would be playing. He offers nothing that Goldy & Petrie don't do.

Maybe because he's coming off one of the worst injuries you can have in footy and they're trying to get him fully match fit before bringing him back into the highest level. But oh no, ofcourse that can't be it!

Obviously you have never watched a VFL match.

Please explain why?

I don't understand how that makes him a worse ruck. What are you even arguing?

Based on talent and what we've seen, Hamish and Goldstein are clearly better than your guys.

I am saying Hmac has no place in your team.

Even if they are better (which I don't think they are) it is hardly 'clear.'
If anything I think Hmac will detract from the current ruck setup.

NMF Hmac will never reach the heights he did before his injury.

If playing 3 talls apparently works so well for Essendon, why wouldn't playing 2 work for NM?