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Ziplock

Quote from: bestguykai on May 25, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
Hey Zip.

I'm not sure if you've already answers this but I'm trying to decide who will be my permanent 8th defender. Currently my backline is Goddard, Gibbs, Deledio, Shaw, Heppel, Adcock, Stanley, Lower, Puopolo and Jacobs. I'm going to upgrade one of Stanley or Lower to either Rawlings, Enright or Suckling and keep the other for the year. I have a couple of issues with each of them. Lower has a higher ceiling yet is just as likely to be subbed off. When injured Players return to the Freo line up will Lower get the ass. Where as Stanley looks set for the year but won't score as high.

Your thoughts are appreciated mate. Thanks


Kai, I've seen your ranking, you should be advising me :P

Honestly, I would keep Stanley. His consistency leaves lower for dead, which is what you really want from a perma bench cover, he's finished his byes and Lower still have one multi to come.

Stanley is playing it safer by far with a lowest score of 61. Lower has the potential to score big (although I find it unlikely he'll crack the ton again), but has far lower job security and has scored in the 40s twice.

Lock in Stanley, you'll lose some cash by upgrading lower now, but I think it'll be better in the long run, especially considering (from memory), your team is nearly set anyway.

dale93

Hey Zip

Just wondering who is the best forward option between Fyfe, Pavlich, Slyvia, Harvey and Stevie J?Already got Chapps, Buddy and goodes?

lnugawela

Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: lnugawela on May 25, 2011, 10:46:29 AM
Ziplock! Im reconsidering getting in T Lynch, just thinking he isnt capable of these big scores he has already got and has a big price tag, is he really worth it? Sure he will make maybe $200k or so but thats only like 80k profit. I know there is I Smith but not sure on his JS. Is there anyone else I could look to downgrade my forward line to?

Honestly, GC were very competitive against adelaide and they beat the lions. That being said, he picked up two goals only to supplement his scoring, which indicates he isn't really a Jvoldt type of goal dependent player. That being said, he needs supply to use the ball, for instance, I can't see him scoring much above 50/60 against geelong. However, a 70+ average is, imo (once you discount his goal points and subtract a few for supply) is reachable for him, and you could very well be seeing those 90+ games against the following opponents he has remaining-
rd 12- north melbourne
rd 14- bulldogs
rd 17- richmond
rd 19- st kilda (50/50)
Rd 21-Brisbane
rd 22- Adelaide
rd 23- Melbourne

A 90+ from half his remaining games for his price... I'd consider.

Thanks Zippy :) Think I will go with the trade and bite the bullet, could come off for me :)

Ziplock

Quote from: PowerBug on May 25, 2011, 11:26:38 AM
When you say points lost, what do you mean and how do you determine how many points you've lost.

You should be a touch more specific with a question like this. I'll just answer it all rounded
1. if you're referring to my blog, I'm talking about bench players I should have played :P
2. If you're referring to my analysis of for instance, what position needs to be upgraded, I look at the position, what rookies are generally scoring in that position, and what premiums are scoring. For instance, in the defence, you have the high range rookies scoring 70-80, while the high end premiums are only averaging 90- 100. that's only 20-30 points really lost there. However in the mid fields, your high end rookies are also only averaging 70-80, while your high end premos are averaging 120 points. that's 40-50 points lost every game by playing a rook rather than a premo.

did that answer the question?

Chopps

Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 10:55:54 AM
chopps-
for pure value, enright or suckling. For consistency has to be someone like scotland.

For the rollercoaster.... shaw.

IMO, I would be looking at enright or scotland- enright is ridiculously cheaply priced, and should come out of the gates firing soon, while scotland is just beasting it atm, uber consistent. The only thing putting me off him is his finals bye (+ gibbs)

cheers i like the look of scotland and a bit of a difference the carlton bye shouldnt be a drama with gibbs and scotland mpp should be able to manage good cover.

would you bring chappy this week v GC (he is my second cat and probably last)
then bring in scotland the week after?

Ziplock

Quote from: dale93 on May 25, 2011, 11:30:04 AM
Hey Zip

Just wondering who is the best forward option between Fyfe, Pavlich, Slyvia, Harvey and Stevie J?Already got Chapps, Buddy and goodes?
For league, you can discount harvey/ stevie J purely on their finals bye (especially as many teams have selwood, rawlings etc.).

Out of those remaining, fyfe seems to be the one knocking out far more consistent scores, Sylvia has a high average as well, but that's only because of his yoyo like 130s - 90s. Pavlich I would rate a little low right now- he's only broken the ton once, and scored over 90 two other times, the rest have been 80s.

To break it down, out of those 3, Fyfe, based on sylvia's injury history and fyfe's consistence.

For overall, depending on how many other's suffering the multi byes remaining, you may have to discount the three mentioned above.

out of stevie J and harvey, I'm going to have to go stevie J just based on a higher average, in a better team. That being said, harvey has been damned consistent, pumping out 4 consequative tons.

if the multi bye doesn't concern you, and you're going for overall, I would still be looking at fyfe. That mpp is just a bonus.

dale93

Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: dale93 on May 25, 2011, 11:30:04 AM
Hey Zip

Just wondering who is the best forward option between Fyfe, Pavlich, Slyvia, Harvey and Stevie J?Already got Chapps, Buddy and goodes?
For league, you can discount harvey/ stevie J purely on their finals bye (especially as many teams have selwood, rawlings etc.).

Out of those remaining, fyfe seems to be the one knocking out far more consistent scores, Sylvia has a high average as well, but that's only because of his yoyo like 130s - 90s. Pavlich I would rate a little low right now- he's only broken the ton once, and scored over 90 two other times, the rest have been 80s.

To break it down, out of those 3, Fyfe, based on sylvia's injury history and fyfe's consistence.

For overall, depending on how many other's suffering the multi byes remaining, you may have to discount the three mentioned above.

out of stevie J and harvey, I'm going to have to go stevie J just based on a higher average, in a better team. That being said, harvey has been damned consistent, pumping out 4 consequative tons.

if the multi bye doesn't concern you, and you're going for overall, I would still be looking at fyfe. That mpp is just a bonus.

Thanks heaps ZIp i am going for overall so can you rate them in order of what you think?

Ziplock

Quote from: Chopps on May 25, 2011, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 10:55:54 AM
chopps-
for pure value, enright or suckling. For consistency has to be someone like scotland.

For the rollercoaster.... shaw.

IMO, I would be looking at enright or scotland- enright is ridiculously cheaply priced, and should come out of the gates firing soon, while scotland is just beasting it atm, uber consistent. The only thing putting me off him is his finals bye (+ gibbs)

cheers i like the look of scotland and a bit of a difference the carlton bye shouldnt be a drama with gibbs and scotland mpp should be able to manage good cover.

would you bring chappy this week v GC (he is my second cat and probably last)
then bring in scotland the week after?

That's what I would be doing, it also allows you to evaluate if scotland can score reasonably against poor teams (like melbourne), because looking at his track record this season, the worst teams he's played, richmond and GC, have also been his lowest scores, with his higher scores against better teams like geelong, collingwood, essendon, sydney.

The melbourne game could be a good indicator statistically of how he deals when there's a lack of ball in his half, if he underperforms next week, I would be looking at holding off until round 13 (unless brisbane show a huge form change), because atm, the ball will not be entering the backline often when playing those teams. If he doesn't do well this week and enright does, he could be worth considering instead.

So yes, Chappy this week.

Ziplock

Quote from: dale93 on May 25, 2011, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: dale93 on May 25, 2011, 11:30:04 AM
Hey Zip

Just wondering who is the best forward option between Fyfe, Pavlich, Slyvia, Harvey and Stevie J?Already got Chapps, Buddy and goodes?
For league, you can discount harvey/ stevie J purely on their finals bye (especially as many teams have selwood, rawlings etc.).

Out of those remaining, fyfe seems to be the one knocking out far more consistent scores, Sylvia has a high average as well, but that's only because of his yoyo like 130s - 90s. Pavlich I would rate a little low right now- he's only broken the ton once, and scored over 90 two other times, the rest have been 80s.

To break it down, out of those 3, Fyfe, based on sylvia's injury history and fyfe's consistence.

For overall, depending on how many other's suffering the multi byes remaining, you may have to discount the three mentioned above.

out of stevie J and harvey, I'm going to have to go stevie J just based on a higher average, in a better team. That being said, harvey has been damned consistent, pumping out 4 consequative tons.

if the multi bye doesn't concern you, and you're going for overall, I would still be looking at fyfe. That mpp is just a bonus.

Thanks heaps ZIp i am going for overall so can you rate them in order of what you think?

If multi byes don't concern you
1. Fyfe
2. Sylvia
3. Stevie J
4. Harvey
5. Pavlich

BGK

Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 11:28:42 AM
Quote from: bestguykai on May 25, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
Hey Zip.

I'm not sure if you've already answers this but I'm trying to decide who will be my permanent 8th defender. Currently my backline is Goddard, Gibbs, Deledio, Shaw, Heppel, Adcock, Stanley, Lower, Puopolo and Jacobs. I'm going to upgrade one of Stanley or Lower to either Rawlings, Enright or Suckling and keep the other for the year. I have a couple of issues with each of them. Lower has a higher ceiling yet is just as likely to be subbed off. When injured Players return to the Freo line up will Lower get the ass. Where as Stanley looks set for the year but won't score as high.

Your thoughts are appreciated mate. Thanks


Kai, I've seen your ranking, you should be advising me :P

Honestly, I would keep Stanley. His consistency leaves lower for dead, which is what you really want from a perma bench cover, he's finished his byes and Lower still have one multi to come.

Stanley is playing it safer by far with a lowest score of 61. Lower has the potential to score big (although I find it unlikely he'll crack the ton again), but has far lower job security and has scored in the 40s twice.

Lock in Stanley, you'll lose some cash by upgrading lower now, but I think it'll be better in the long run, especially considering (from memory), your team is nearly set anyway.


Just because I'm ranked well at the moment doesn't mean someone else's opinion isn't as good as mine. Because of my rank I find myself second guessing. But your thoughts are exactly the same as mine. Thanks bud.

Weagle

Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: Weagle on May 25, 2011, 11:11:32 AM
Great advice all round Ziplock :)

I really want to get Chappy in this week (and play him over Harris or Rioli), and I could do it (only just.. $2900 leftover) after a Krak & McKenzie -> I.Smith & Chappy double trade... if Smith is named...

That said, I'm very open to suggestions on what to do this week (going for League & playing a strong opponent this week, but easy couple of games afterwards).

13 trades, $13900 banked.

B: Lids, Gibbs, Goddard, Enright, Enright, Lower, Jacobs // Pup, L. Thompson, Toy
M: Swan, Pendles, Cross, Jelwood, Swallow, Harris // Heppell, McKenzie, Prestia
R: Cox, Zsmith // Sandy, Derickx
F: Roo, Goodes, Fyfe, Buddy, Stevie J, Rioli, Didak // Krak, Matera, Richo

I would be getting chappy. If Smith isn't named, go for mzungu, with freos injury list he should be good for games.

I would be looking at playing chappy over didak at this point in time, that being said your forward line is already pretty powerful (presuming dids + rioli return to form), and with enright, stevie J and jelwood, having 4 cats is REALLY pushing it for league. Working to finishing off your mids by trading in thompson (under 400k, averaging 108), or Ablett could be the way to go, (you've named enright twice in your backline?), or even upgrading a back and finishing off that line.

Honestly, I'm a little stumped atm as to what you should be doing. If you REALLY feel chappy is necessary, and are 100% confident you'll finish top 4 + win your first finals game, then it's worthwhile doing it. If you have a shadow of a doubt though, I wouldn't.

Oops.. Enright #2 is actually Adcock ;)

Yeah I'm not confident about top 4 + first finals win at all haha... and I can't get Mzungu + Chappy without trading either dids/rioli/swallow... which I don't really want to do

Thanks for the help though, more food for thought :)

PowerBug

Thanks. With my mids, i have Swan, Boyd, Priddis, and 1 Dual Position Forward when Sandi returns, therefore i have 2 spots left. Is it worth going to Fyfe or Sylvia as another DPP even though my forwards are full with 7 keepers?

Ziplock

Quote from: Weagle on May 25, 2011, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: Weagle on May 25, 2011, 11:11:32 AM
Great advice all round Ziplock :)

I really want to get Chappy in this week (and play him over Harris or Rioli), and I could do it (only just.. $2900 leftover) after a Krak & McKenzie -> I.Smith & Chappy double trade... if Smith is named...

That said, I'm very open to suggestions on what to do this week (going for League & playing a strong opponent this week, but easy couple of games afterwards).

13 trades, $13900 banked.

B: Lids, Gibbs, Goddard, Enright, Enright, Lower, Jacobs // Pup, L. Thompson, Toy
M: Swan, Pendles, Cross, Jelwood, Swallow, Harris // Heppell, McKenzie, Prestia
R: Cox, Zsmith // Sandy, Derickx
F: Roo, Goodes, Fyfe, Buddy, Stevie J, Rioli, Didak // Krak, Matera, Richo

I would be getting chappy. If Smith isn't named, go for mzungu, with freos injury list he should be good for games.

I would be looking at playing chappy over didak at this point in time, that being said your forward line is already pretty powerful (presuming dids + rioli return to form), and with enright, stevie J and jelwood, having 4 cats is REALLY pushing it for league. Working to finishing off your mids by trading in thompson (under 400k, averaging 108), or Ablett could be the way to go, (you've named enright twice in your backline?), or even upgrading a back and finishing off that line.

Honestly, I'm a little stumped atm as to what you should be doing. If you REALLY feel chappy is necessary, and are 100% confident you'll finish top 4 + win your first finals game, then it's worthwhile doing it. If you have a shadow of a doubt though, I wouldn't.

Oops.. Enright #2 is actually Adcock ;)

Yeah I'm not confident about top 4 + first finals win at all haha... and I can't get Mzungu + Chappy without trading either dids/rioli/swallow... which I don't really want to do

Thanks for the help though, more food for thought :)
no problem. If I had to trade those out of those 3, it would have to be dids. If you could wait another ocuple of weeks to give him a chance to regain form, and to see if rioli's role change keeps his scores down, that would be preferable.

Ziplock

Quote from: bestguykai on May 25, 2011, 12:05:54 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on May 25, 2011, 11:28:42 AM
Quote from: bestguykai on May 25, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
Hey Zip.

I'm not sure if you've already answers this but I'm trying to decide who will be my permanent 8th defender. Currently my backline is Goddard, Gibbs, Deledio, Shaw, Heppel, Adcock, Stanley, Lower, Puopolo and Jacobs. I'm going to upgrade one of Stanley or Lower to either Rawlings, Enright or Suckling and keep the other for the year. I have a couple of issues with each of them. Lower has a higher ceiling yet is just as likely to be subbed off. When injured Players return to the Freo line up will Lower get the ass. Where as Stanley looks set for the year but won't score as high.

Your thoughts are appreciated mate. Thanks


Kai, I've seen your ranking, you should be advising me :P

Honestly, I would keep Stanley. His consistency leaves lower for dead, which is what you really want from a perma bench cover, he's finished his byes and Lower still have one multi to come.

Stanley is playing it safer by far with a lowest score of 61. Lower has the potential to score big (although I find it unlikely he'll crack the ton again), but has far lower job security and has scored in the 40s twice.

Lock in Stanley, you'll lose some cash by upgrading lower now, but I think it'll be better in the long run, especially considering (from memory), your team is nearly set anyway.


Just because I'm ranked well at the moment doesn't mean someone else's opinion isn't as good as mine. Because of my rank I find myself second guessing. But your thoughts are exactly the same as mine. Thanks bud.

Excellent, no problem, glad to be of help.

Ziplock

Quote from: PowerBug on May 25, 2011, 12:09:46 PM
Thanks. With my mids, i have Swan, Boyd, Priddis, and 1 Dual Position Forward when Sandi returns, therefore i have 2 spots left. Is it worth going to Fyfe or Sylvia as another DPP even though my forwards are full with 7 keepers?

So, you're looking to use the dpp to cover byes... interesting, but no, not really. When you dpp out to the forawrds, you'll just leave a gap in your mids that a rook needs to fill, it'll end up evening out, at best you gain 10-20 ppg from it when a fwd has a bye.

Basically, no. Just went over it in my head, and my logic is a bit convoluted, but it would only appear worth while if you were copping a fielded rookie nearly every week due to the byes. But, if you were dealing with that nearly every week, then you'd essentially be fielding a rook nearly every week in the mids, which, even if it's still D Swallow/ Libba, you're losing 40 points by not having someone like Selwood in.

Get Selwood in if your fwds are full, and just cover them with rookies during the byes. You'll drop less points that way.