Could Karmichael Hunt end up being the cheapest player ever!!!!

Started by AlexIsOnFire, May 14, 2011, 07:02:35 PM

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RiOtChEsS

sure in fantasy he stinks but he is playing well back there, plenty of spoils and pressure...


Chopps

poor dt does not = poor afl player i'd say as a defender he is doing well

elephants

Quote from: lukedogg17 on May 15, 2011, 05:09:39 AM
Quote from: someguy on May 15, 2011, 01:47:59 AM
Quote from: MissPiesFF on May 14, 2011, 07:21:29 PM
He still plays his role. Not all players are DT/SC worthy.
Quote from: LaHug on May 14, 2011, 09:51:44 PM
I think Hunt is playing his role very well where he is. He's creating a bit body and good tackling presence in the backline. Just needs to learn a bit more about winning the marking contests and he'll make a good defender.

What role? getting 6 goals kicked on him?

Quote from: fortynine on May 14, 2011, 07:44:58 PM
"I'd love to see him play a run with role in the midfield and get 10-15 tackles a game, dont know why they persist with him as a backman"

No offense mate but if you're genuinely asking this question then you need to take a second look at how AFL is structured. Here's 5 quick reasons why:

1. Stamina
2. Ability to not lose his man in clearance traffic
3. Defense is the smartest place for him to play in relation to his current skill level
4. He's not going to get 10-15 tackles a game, he's not Jude Bolton
5. The suns midfield is about the one place their game is OK, why tinker

+1

Quote from: McRooster on May 14, 2011, 09:15:40 PM
* Israel Folau is already bailing on GWS it seems, maybe KHunt will return too???

Yep I think so.

Hunt is not AFL material and once the younger Suns players develop, he'll be back playing league.

honestly dude do you know anything about football? because dt isnt everything.

what could you possibly be basing him not being afl material on?

not sure how many he had kicked on him vs adelaide but

is it a.) the fact that hes had 8 goals kicked on him in the first 6 matches in a team thats averaging 142 pts against...

that tells me that hes responsible for just over 1 of the 22 goals being kicked on this side each week.

or is it b.) the fact that he leads the suns in spoils?

strange because if there were two things youd want a defender to do itd be spoil and stop their opponents from kicking goals....

the guys had a year of football under his belt and not only is he competing well at the highest level, hes doing it in a defense that is under constant pressure.   

Brilliantly said mate

Windigo

Hunt will be a Prestiacomo.

A good defender with no ball winning capabilities.

But I don't K.Hunt's role is to get possies. It's winning the 1 vs 1's and negating the dangerous FWDS.

Give him time, he ain't no midfielder.  :P

someguy

Quote from: lukedogg17 on May 15, 2011, 05:09:39 AM

honestly dude do you know anything about football? because dt isnt everything.


lol I'm sorry, but where did I mention anything about DT being relevant to my assessment of him?!? On the contrary I think DT is a very ineffective way of measuring a players performance and influence on the contest. SC on the otherhand is usually a bit more accurate (he's averaging 27.5 in SC).

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what could you possibly be basing him not being afl material on?

not sure how many he had kicked on him vs adelaide but

is it a.) the fact that hes had 8 goals kicked on him in the first 6 matches in a team thats averaging 142 pts against...

that tells me that hes responsible for just over 1 of the 22 goals being kicked on this side each week.

or is it b.) the fact that he leads the suns in spoils?

strange because if there were two things youd want a defender to do itd be spoil and stop their opponents from kicking goals....

the guys had a year of football under his belt and not only is he competing well at the highest level, hes doing it in a defense that is under constant pressure.

He played on Dangerfield who kicked six goals on him - one of the few quality opponents he has actually faced. His other opponents include: Crameri (4 goals), Retzlaff (first game this season), Hitchcock, Jurrah (3 goals on Hunt before being subbed off), Grant and Hampson. So out of the opponents he has faced, he as only really played on 3 decent forwards (Dangerfield, Crameri and Jurrah) who all kicked at least 3 goals on him!

My reasoning as to why Hunt is not AFL material and will not last long in the league is based on what I've seen of him and my knowledge about the type of fitness levels required to play AFL and Rugby (I have a degree in Exercise and Sports Science). I've watched 5 out of 7 of the GC games (missed the Adelaide and Port games) and from what I've seen Hunt lacks the fitness, skill and football knowledge required to play at AFL level. His fitness will take time to change especially since he is coming from a predominately anaerobic, power based sport in Rugby (we've seen him cramp up a number of times this season), his skills will improve in time with training, but his football knowledge (awareness, positioning, decision making, etc - probably the most important aspects of AFL) is extremely poor, and given that he has only been playing for a short amount of time, it will likely take a few years to develop to AFL level, at which point there the younger players will have matured and will be outplaying him. There are plenty of young players coming through the junior ranks (and at the GC), who don't need as much time to develop, who Hunt will be competing with for a place in the side.

By the time the GC become a legitimate contender, Hunt will no longer be part of their best 21/22 and will most likely be back playing League. If not I'll happily eat my words.

fidou

Lets not lose the fact that he is only in the side due to him being able to get bums in seats. If he was a nobody he wouldn't even get drafted. I was at the Ainslie Oval the other week and watched GWS play Ainslie and Israel Filou didn't do much (except for a crunching tackle on the wing) but I think his body should be more suited to AFL than Hunt's. He could hold down centre half back in a couple of years. It all depends on his development in the skills area and getting the footy smarts.

About Hunt playing in other positions is foolish as defence is the only way he will learn the game without looking completely out of place. It would be interesting to hear how he went overall in his tagging role on Dangerfield.

lukedogg17

Mate he's played 7 games and anyone who wants to criticize him is a fool. He's the whipping boy for the media after every match, and if you wanna bring up his awareness and football knowledge go and have a look at him v's motlop isolated one on one inside the 50 late in the game, motlop would've beaten most defenders in that situation but he didn't beat hunt. This guy has an enormous amount of growth in him, he's a baby in terms of afl with so much to learn and no matter what you say he's doing a great job atm. Tell me how many major mistakes or turnovers you've seen him make that have cost gc a goal?

RiOtChEsS

every team in the comp would want him on their list has huge upside...

someguy

Quote from: lukedogg17 on May 15, 2011, 02:29:42 PM
Mate he's played 7 games and anyone who wants to criticize him is a fool. He's the whipping boy for the media after every match, and if you wanna bring up his awareness and football knowledge go and have a look at him v's motlop isolated one on one inside the 50 late in the game, motlop would've beaten most defenders in that situation but he didn't beat hunt. This guy has an enormous amount of growth in him, he's a baby in terms of afl with so much to learn and no matter what you say he's doing a great job atm. Tell me how many major mistakes or turnovers you've seen him make that have cost gc a goal?

lol how is this (bold) relevant? As for your example, I didn't see the Port game, but I watched the highlights of the game on the AFL website and I saw the play (4:30 mark for those interested) - Hunt did well to get a fist on the ball, but he was clearly out positioned on the play - had Motlop kept his feet and was able to gather the ball he probably would have goaled (Port had a shot anyway, but missed). As for evidence about Hunt making mistakes that have cost GC a goal watch the full highlights from the Port match and you'll see two that lead directly leading to goals (1.10, and 1.30 marks of the vid). That's two errors from a 5 minutes hilight package, just from the one game lol.

Also why are people fools who are criticizing him? I've shared my opinion and it differs to yours, how does that make me a fool? You can call me a fool if he's still part of their best 21/22 when their legitimate contenders.

Spite

Yeah he may be the cheapest player ever... <----- back to that?

Windigo

QuoteYeah he may be the cheapest player ever... <----- back to that?

Yeah, he just might.  ;)