Hindsight #1....

[valkorum]

Bradley error fixed :)

Valk... I like Deledio and Griffen as players also, but if you offered me a choice:

1) Get Deledio AND Griffen

2) Get Franklin

I would take Franklin everytime. Franklin is a very rare commodity, there aren't many similar type of players around. As good as Deledio and Griffen are, they are far more expendable.

The forwards are only as good as the delivery they get, having good midfielders will make average forwards look good (Geelong anyone?)

[Cruiseon]

I disagree. Hill had a great second half of 2010, Nic Nat had a great first half of 2010.

If we go buy what they achieved so far in their careers, than Rich would get it.

I didn't see Rich, definitely he climbs up above them both. Rich 1, Hill 2 Nic Nat 3 on what they have achieved so far. Hill was crucial in Freos success at the business end of the season. Rich was heavily tagged in only his second year!

[hawk_88]

Who has played better on average, Rich would probably win. How has had the more positive effect on his teams overall performance, Hill. Teams have actively done more to counter Hill than Rich or Naitanui which to me, after all three playing such little footy, is the best measure we have.

[ossie85]

Bradley error fixed :)

Valk... I like Deledio and Griffen as players also, but if you offered me a choice:

1) Get Deledio AND Griffen

2) Get Franklin

I would take Franklin everytime. Franklin is a very rare commodity, there aren't many similar type of players around. As good as Deledio and Griffen are, they are far more expendable.

The forwards are only as good as the delivery they get, having good midfielders will make average forwards look good (Geelong anyone?)

Fevola, J. Riewoldt and LeCras have all done pretty well without great delivery. Pavlich did for a long time also. Franklin would dominate in any team IMO

[bunyip]

Bradley error fixed :)

Valk... I like Deledio and Griffen as players also, but if you offered me a choice:

1) Get Deledio AND Griffen

2) Get Franklin

I would take Franklin everytime. Franklin is a very rare commodity, there aren't many similar type of players around. As good as Deledio and Griffen are, they are far more expendable.

The forwards are only as good as the delivery they get, having good midfielders will make average forwards look good (Geelong anyone?)

I have to agree Valk. Our full forward has been a problem. Tommahawk tries hard but has struggled.
Great thread oss. So many great players. I think Richmond not picking up Franklyn will always be a sore point with their fans though, Richo notwithstanding.

[valkorum]

Richo >>>>>>> Franklin

[Cicjose]

By the end of his career Franklin will have eclipsed Richo IMO provided he still kicks bags of goals year in and year out

[Boomz]

He won't have eclipsed him in tigers fans minds...

[ossie85]

tiger fans have minds?

[Simple Jack]

Does anyone know if the 2003 draft was full of duds, barring Cooney and Sylvia. Or was the top 10 just badly picked?

[ossie85]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_AFL_Draft

Full of duds really. Adam Cooney and David Mundy are the only All-Australians in that lot

[BoredSaint]

im still laughing at 2002 pick 10 Essendon- Jason Laycock!
Not only does he have a funny name but he issuch a spud :)

[valkorum]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_AFL_Draft

Full of duds really. Adam Cooney and David Mundy are the only All-Australians in that lot

David Mundy isnt an all australian - he made the initial squad but not the team.

[ossie85]

Ah yes, of course Valk :)

Well, Cooney is the only All-Aus then....

[ossie85]

Thought this could provide some entertainment...


The 2000 Draft:

Priority 1 Nick Riewoldt Southport Sharks St Kilda
1 2 Justin Koschitzke Murray Bushrangers St Kilda
1 3 Alan Didak Port Adelaide Magpies Collingwood
1 4 Luke Livingston Bendigo Pioneers Carlton
1 5 Andrew McDougall Perth Football Club West Coast
1 6 Dylan Smith Sandringham Dragons Kangaroos
1 7 Laurence Angwin Dandenong Stingrays Adelaide
1 8 Daniel Motlop North Adelaide Roosters Kangaroos
1 9 Kayne Pettifer Murray Bushrangers Richmond
1 10 Jordan McMahon Glenelg Western Bulldogs
1 11 Trent Sporn North Adelaide Roosters Carlton
1 12 Shaun Burgoyne Port Adelaide Magpies Port Adelaide
1 13 Ashley McGrath South Fremantle Football Club Brisbane Lions
1 14 Daniel Harris Bendigo Bombers Kangaroos
1 15 Simon Wiggins Tasmanian Devils Football Club/Glenorchy Football Club Carlton
1 16 Scott Thompson Port Adelaide Magpies Melbourne
1 17 James Davies Xavier College Essendon
2 18 Daniel Kerr East Fremantle Football Club West Coast Eagles
2 (F/S) 19 Jason Cloke Eastern Ranges Collingwood
2 20 Kane Cornes Glenelg Football Club Port Adelaide
2 21 Nick Ries Sandringham Dragons Hawthorn
2 22 Richard Hadley East Fremantle Football Club Brisbane Lions
2 23 Drew Petrie North Ballarat Rebels Kangaroos
2 24 Luke Ablett Gippsland Power Sydney Swans
2 25 Mark Coughlan Perth Football Club Richmond
2 26 Shane Birss Gippsland Power Western Bulldogs
2 27 Ted Richards Sandringham Dragons Essendon
2 (F/S) 28 Steven Greene Sandringham Dragons Hawthorn
2 29 Jamie Charman Northern Eagles Brisbane Lions
2 30 Saverio Rocca Collingwood Kangaroos
2 31 Blake Campbell Murray Bushrangers Kangaroos
2 32 Sam Hunt Geelong Falcons Essendon
3 33 Martin Pike Kangaroos Brisbane Lions
3 34 Ryan Lonie Dandenong Stingrays Collingwood
3 35 Allen Murray Murray Bushrangers Port Adelaide
3 36 Jeremy Humm North Ballarat Rebels West Coast Eagles
3 37 Guy Richards Eastern Ranges Collingwood
3 38 Michael Handby Dandenong Stingrays Adelaide Crows
3 39 Adam McPhee Dandenong Stingrays Fremantle
3 40 Chris Hyde Murray Bushrangers Richmond
3 41 Andrew Krakouer South Fremantle Football Club Richmond
3 42 Daniel Pratt Northern Eagles Kangaroos
3 43 Mark Williams South Fremantle Football Club Hawthorn
3 44 Josh Hunt Bendigo Pioneers Geelong
3 45 Trent Carroll Claremont Football Club West Coast Eagles
3 46 Sean O'Keefe Murray Bushrangers Carlton
3 47 Jordan Bannister Calder Cannons Essendon
3 48 Matthew Smith Oakleigh Chargers Adelaide Crows
4 49 Shane Wakelin St Kilda Collingwood
4 50 Domenic Cassisi East Fremantle Port Adelaide
4 51 Dion Woods Perth Fremantle
4 52 Amon Buchanan Geelong Falcons Sydney Swans
4 53 Hayden Skipworth Woodville-West Torrens Adelaide Crows
4 54 Jarrad Sundqvist Glenelg Sydney Swans
4 55 Chris Newman Dandenong Stingrays Richmond
4 56 Daniel Cross Murray Bushrangers Western Bulldogs
4 57 Steven Sziller St Kilda Richmond
4 58 Nathan Lonie Dandenong Stingrays Hawthorn
4 59 Luke Hammond Sandringham Dragons Brisbane Lions
4 60 Corey Jones Sturt Football Club Kangaroos
4 61 Callan Beasy Bendigo Pioneers Carlton
4 62 Daniel Breese Eastern Ranges Melbourne
4 63 Marc Bullen Murray Bushrangers Essendon
5 64 Mark Gale Fremantle St Kilda
5 65 Pass  Collingwood
5 66 Scott Thornton Sandringham Dragons Fremantle
5 67 Graham Johncock Port Adelaide Magpies Adelaide Crows
5 68 Pass  Sydney Swans
5 69 Pass  Richmond
5 70 Wayde Skipper West Perth Western Bulldogs
5 71 Daniel Lowther Geelong Football Club Geelong
5 72 Pass  Hawthorn
5 73 Ross Funcke North Ballarat Melbourne
5 74 Michael Davis Sandringham Dragons Essendon
6 75 Robert Powell Richmond St. Kilda
6 76 Pass  Fremantle
6 77 Pass  Adelaide Crows
6 78 Pass  Western Bulldogs
6 79 Hamish Simpson Geelong Football Club Geelong
6 80 Mitchell Craig Eastern Ranges Melbourne
6 81 Pass  Essendon
7 82 Daniel Wulf St. Kilda St. Kilda
7 83 Pass  Western Bulldogs
7 84 Pass  Melbourne
8 85 Pass  St. Kilda
9 86 Pass  St. Kilda
10 87 Pass  St. Kilda


Now, pick your best 22 from the above based on their careers^


Mine:

B: A McGrath, S Wakelin*, J Hunt
HB: C Newman (V-Capt), A McPhee, G Johncock
C: D Cross, K Cornes, S Thompson
HF: A Didak, N Riewoldt (Capt), A Buchanan
F: J Koschitzke, S Rocca*, M Williams
Foll: D Petrie, D Kerr, S Burgoyne
Inter: M Pike*, L Ablett, M Coughlan, D Cassisi
Emerg: D Motlop, J McMahon, J Cloke


Should mention * - means it was the players 2nd draft, and only their career from that point should be considered. Wakelin played in 2 grand finals and was huge in the Pies defense for the best part of a decade, Pike went onto to play in 3 Premierships and Rocca is the best full-forward of the bunch.