WXV Rules Discussion 2020

[Purple 77]

X O'Neill	London	100	100	0
B Cavarra	Mexico City	100	100	0
J Tarca	Beijing	100	100	0
R Collier-Dawkins	Mexico City	100	100	0
M Keane	Pacific	100	100	0
S Draper	Moscow	100	100	0
S Sturt	Moscow	100	100	0
T Fullarton	Moscow	100	100	0
H Edwards	Pacific	100	100	0
T Wooller	New Delhi	100	100	0
A Nietschke	New York	100	100	0
B Jarvis	New York	100	100	0
F Turner	Cairo	100	100	0
H Reynolds	New York	100	100	0
H Dixon	New York	100	100	0
I Rankine	New York	185	185	0
Ma Frederick	Tokyo	100	100	0
O Brownless	New York	100	100	0
D O'Reilly	Pacific	100	100	0
J Mayo	Beijing	100	100	0
L Hosie	Dublin	100	100	0
M Cottrell	Tokyo	100	100	0
M Knoll	Rio de Janeiro	100	100	0
M Riordan	Beijing	100	100	0
N Reeves	Dublin	100	100	0
S Fletcher	Beijing	100	100	0
A McPherson	Pacific	100	100	0
BJ Williams	Pacific	100	100	0
L Meek	Pacific	100	100	0
L Valente	Pacific	100	100	0
J Amartey	PNL	100	100	0
J Crocker	PNL	100	100	0
L English	PNL	100	100	0
M Lynch	PNL	100	100	0
J Jordon	Rio de Janeiro	100	100	0
S Hayes	Rio de Janeiro	100	100	0
W Kelly	Rio de Janeiro	100	100	0
A Tohill	Seoul	100	100	0
I Mosquito	Seoul	100	100	0
J McLennan	Seoul	100	100	0
K Strachan	Buenos Aires	100	100	0
O Clavarino	Seoul	100	100	0
T Bedford	Seoul	100	100	0
J Patmore	Tokyo	100	100	0
M Ling	Tokyo	100	100	0
S Okunbor	Tokyo	100	100	0
T North	Tokyo	100	100	0
W Golds	Tokyo	100	100	0
X O'Halloran	Tokyo	100	100	0
B Woodcock	Toronto	100	100	0
C Lyons	Toronto	100	100	0
D Greaves	Toronto	100	100	0
J Buckley	Toronto	100	100	0
L Sholl	Toronto	100	100	0
R Grundy	Buenos Aires	100	100	0
S Wicks	Toronto	100	100	0
T Watson	Toronto	100	100	0
J Riccardi	Seoul	100	100	0
T Rivers	Cape Town	100	100	0
W Day	Rio de Janeiro	100	100	0
H Schoenberg	Christchurch	100	100	0
B Close	Rio de Janeiro	100	100	0
M Georgiades	Mexico City	100	100	0
T Ruscoe	New York	100	100	0
S Flanders	Mexico City	100	100	0
L Henry	Seoul	100	100	0

[Purple 77]

N Reid	#N/A	100	100	0
Mit Hibberd	PNL	100	100	0
D Stephens	New Delhi	100	100	0
Mi Frederick	Dublin	100	100	0
A Treacy	London	100	100	0
A Taylor	#N/A	100	100	0
B O'Connor	Dublin	100	100	0
B Johnson	London	100	100	0
B Nyuon	Mexico City	100	100	0
B Rowles	Moscow	100	100	0
B Smith	Cape Town	100	100	0
B Kemp	Buenos Aires	100	100	0
C Jamieson	Pacific	100	100	0
C Taheny	Tokyo	100	100	0
C Warner	Cape Town	100	100	0
C Comben	Toronto	100	100	0
C McBride	Buenos Aires	100	100	0
C Weightman	Dublin	100	100	0
C Stephens	Pacific	100	100	0
D Robertson	Christchurch	100	100	0
D Williams	Tokyo	100	100	0
E Taylor	Tokyo	100	100	0
E Jeka	Pacific	100	100	0
F Maginness	New Delhi	100	100	0
F Perez	Mexico City	100	100	0
H Pepper	Moscow	100	100	0
Harry Jones	New York	100	100	0
H Young	Mexico City	100	100	0
H Crauford	#N/A	100	100	0
H Ralphsmith	Mexico City	100	100	0
I Butters	Beijing	100	100	0
Jac Bell	Dublin	100	100	0
J Mead	Christchurch	100	100	0
J Pasini	Cairo	100	100	0
J Prior	Beijing	100	100	0
J Sharp	Buenos Aires	100	100	0
J Honey	Moscow	100	100	0
J Morris	Toronto	100	100	0
J Worrell	Cairo	100	100	0
J Farrar	Beijing	100	100	0
K Coleman	London	100	100	0
L Gollant	New York	100	100	0
L Johnson	New Delhi	100	100	0
F Evans	Berlin	100	100	0
L Thomas	New Delhi	100	100	0
L Connolly	Toronto	100	100	0
L Butler	New York	100	100	0
F Phillips	PNL	100	100	0
L Jackson	Seoul	100	100	0
L Towey	New Delhi	100	100	0
M Rosas	New York	100	100	0
M Conroy	Pacific	100	100	0
Ch Cameron	Tokyo	346	345	-1
B Acres	Moscow	281	280	-1
L Parker	Buenos Aires	650	648	-2
B Preuss	Berlin	157	155	-2
C Jones	Mexico City	129	127	-2
J Johannisen	Tokyo	389	387	-2
Tr McKenzie	New Delhi	187	185	-2
J Elliott	Seoul	210	208	-2
D Martin	Dublin	573	571	-2
G Birchall	Dublin	161	159	-2
Jack Ross	Pacific	147	145	-2
T Cotchin	Christchurch	344	342	-2
X Duursma	New York	235	233	-2
B Mihocek	Tokyo	282	280	-2
M Hannan	Mexico City	158	156	-2
D Gardiner	London	282	280	-2
I Heeney	Toronto	480	478	-2
G Hewett	Moscow	351	349	-2
M Scharenberg	Moscow	225	223	-2
B Banfield	Moscow	188	186	-2
L Dunn	Berlin	135	133	-2
G Horlin-Smith	Mexico City	124	122	-2
S Savage	PNL	346	344	-2
J Hamling	Rio de Janeiro	232	230	-2
A Rance	Berlin	225	223	-2
R Laird	Pacific	594	592	-2
R Gray	PNL	432	430	-2
N Wilson	Seoul	309	307	-2
D Rich	Rio de Janeiro	403	401	-2
A Sexton	New Delhi	235	232	-3
O Baker	Rio de Janeiro	111	108	-3
S Day	Pacific	202	199	-3
S Frost	Berlin	221	218	-3
Ja Hunt	Buenos Aires	172	169	-3
R Lobb	Cairo	334	331	-3
H Cunningham	Tokyo	285	282	-3
M McGovern	Pacific	185	182	-3
Jos Kelly	Seoul	561	558	-3
S Mumford	Cairo	211	208	-3
L Henderson	New York	186	183	-3
J Laverde	PNL	173	170	-3
T Varcoe	Berlin	180	177	-3
S Durdin	Dublin	120	117	-3
Shan Edwards	Cairo	333	330	-3
B Ronke	Buenos Aires	178	175	-3
Jacks Trengove	Christchurch	220	217	-3
D McKenzie	Cairo	175	172	-3
J Murdoch	Mexico City	208	205	-3
K Kolodjashnij	Moscow	145	142	-3
C Curnow	Seoul	254	251	-3
N Answerth	New Delhi	172	169	-3
T Taranto	Rio de Janeiro	493	489	-4
W Snelling	Cairo	199	195	-4
S Higgins	Cape Town	481	477	-4
J Pittard	Cape Town	288	284	-4
J Walker	Rio de Janeiro	239	235	-4
J Townsend	Cairo	130	126	-4
E Betts	New York	213	209	-4
N Holman	Tokyo	244	240	-4
D Lloyd	Berlin	204	200	-4
J Clark	Mexico City	161	157	-4
D Lang	Cape Town	146	142	-4
J Schache	PNL	158	154	-4
J Webster	Buenos Aires	253	249	-4
L Brown	Rio de Janeiro	270	266	-4
W Hayes	Berlin	131	126	-5
M Hurley	Pacific	383	378	-5
T Clurey	Christchurch	267	262	-5
H Himmelberg	Pacific	330	325	-5
J Polec	London	462	457	-5
B Ah Chee	Christchurch	167	162	-5
B Dale	Rio de Janeiro	187	182	-5
O Hanrahan	Cairo	124	119	-5
Z Tuohy	Seoul	301	296	-5
T Thomas	Rio de Janeiro	181	176	-5
M Parker	Moscow	137	132	-5
W Schofield	Rio de Janeiro	118	113	-5
T Dickson	London	143	138	-5
D Beams	Cairo	353	348	-5
A Vandenberg	Berlin	141	136	-5
C Sutcliffe	Christchurch	121	116	-5
R Burton	Toronto	255	249	-6
J Darling	Toronto	425	419	-6
K Lambert	Beijing	410	404	-6
T Kelly	Toronto	564	558	-6
M Cox	Beijing	198	192	-6
R Bonner	Buenos Aires	236	230	-6
C Nash	London	137	131	-6
J Silvagni	Mexico City	175	169	-6
L Franklin	Berlin	274	268	-6
M McGuinness	Cairo	100	100	0
M Rowell	Seoul	100	100	0
J Pina	Berlin	100	100	0
M Bergman	Moscow	100	100	0
M O'Neill	Christchurch	100	100	0
J Rantall	PNL	100	100	0
N Cahill	New York	100	100	0
N Bryan	Seoul	100	100	0
N Cumberland	Moscow	100	100	0
P Murtagh	New York	100	100	0
R Garcia	Cairo	100	100	0

[Purple 77]

R O'Connor	New York	100	100	0
R McQuillan	Buenos Aires	100	100	0
R Byrnes	Christchurch	100	100	0
S De Koning	London	100	100	0
S Philp	Rio de Janeiro	100	100	0
T Hutchesson	Cape Town	100	100	0
T Dow	Moscow	100	100	0
T Green	Buenos Aires	100	100	0
T Hird	#N/A	100	100	0
T Wilson	Seoul	100	100	0
T Bianco	Pacific	100	100	0
T Burgoyne	Cape Town	100	100	0
S Ramsay	Berlin	100	100	0
W Gould	Pacific	100	100	0
W Martyn	Pacific	100	100	0
H Petty	Berlin	123	123	0
C McCarthy	Christchurch	161	161	0
M Buntine	PNL	133	133	0
S Giro	Berlin	116	116	0
J Joyce	Buenos Aires	194	194	0
D Venables	Cape Town	125	125	0
W Milera	Toronto	285	285	0
R Thompson	Buenos Aires	126	126	0
T Langdon	Christchurch	232	232	0
D Tyson	Rio de Janeiro	198	198	0
B Jacobs	Rio de Janeiro	209	209	0
T Stengle	Beijing	148	148	0
S Darcy	Christchurch	233	233	0
C Wingard	Buenos Aires	389	389	0
J Lonie	PNL	210	210	0
W Hayward	Buenos Aires	220	220	0
R Smith	Berlin	125	125	0
S Petrevski-Seton	Moscow	343	343	0
D Zorko	Beijing	569	569	0
A Naughton	Mexico City	245	244	-1
H Hartlett	Rio de Janeiro	255	254	-1
A Hall	Mexico City	235	234	-1
D Cuningham	London	173	172	-1
C Salem	Seoul	409	408	-1
D Talia	Buenos Aires	276	275	-1
H McLean	Rio de Janeiro	142	141	-1
J Macrae	Toronto	866	865	-1
E Curnow	Seoul	524	523	-1
A Bonar	Buenos Aires	123	122	-1
C Mayne	Cape Town	267	266	-1
D Prestia	Toronto	393	392	-1
Bra Ebert	Cape Town	324	323	-1
J De Goey	Moscow	344	343	-1
E Wood	Christchurch	191	190	-1
A Miles	Mexico City	235	234	-1
S Switkowski	New Delhi	177	176	-1
P Ambrose	Christchurch	148	147	-1
N Vardy	Mexico City	148	147	-1
L O'Brien	Buenos Aires	147	146	-1
C Marchbank	Seoul	191	190	-1
J Gallucci	Rio de Janeiro	155	154	-1
A Christensen	Dublin	244	243	-1
L Plowman	Tokyo	261	260	-1
M Guelfi	Tokyo	199	198	-1
L Casboult	Moscow	263	262	-1
J Jenkins	Pacific	247	246	-1
T Atkins	Toronto	175	169	-6
D Howard	PNL	282	276	-6
T O'Brien	Pacific	206	200	-6
T Scully	Christchurch	199	193	-6
L Dahlhaus	New York	334	328	-6
C Rozee	Moscow	267	261	-6
C Hooker	Berlin	279	272	-7
Br Smith	Berlin	335	328	-7
M Gleeson	Tokyo	173	166	-7
B Hardwick	London	312	305	-7
TJ Lynch	Cairo	294	287	-7
M Redman	Moscow	212	205	-7
Jo Roughead	Buenos Aires	228	221	-7
J Frawley	Cairo	199	192	-7
M Kreuzer	Rio de Janeiro	284	277	-7
S Hill	New Delhi	182	175	-7
H McKay	Christchurch	221	214	-7
N Fyfe	Rio de Janeiro	662	654	-8
Ad Kennedy	Mexico City	216	208	-8
M Murphy	Seoul	359	351	-8
T Walker	Beijing	235	227	-8
C O'Riordan	Dublin	162	154	-8
A Francis	Rio de Janeiro	201	193	-8
I Smith	Tokyo	327	319	-8
B Reid	Christchurch	145	137	-8
P Puopolo	Mexico City	201	193	-8
R Knight	New Delhi	175	167	-8
W Brodie	PNL	192	184	-8
A Gaff	Pacific	655	646	-9
Joe Smith	Berlin	118	109	-9
D Howe	Beijing	237	228	-9
JP Kennedy	Dublin	492	483	-9
N Larkey	Toronto	162	153	-9
P Hanley	New York	195	186	-9
W Hoskin-Elliott	Berlin	270	261	-9
J Lienert	Berlin	201	192	-9
Ja Cameron	PNL	109	100	-9
B Matera	Christchurch	211	202	-9

[Purple 77]

My views... I actually don't mind.

WXV Club	Proposed	Over Cap	Under Cap	Current	Over Cap	Under Cap
Beijing Thunder	$11,054,000	$154,000		$11,030,000	$130,000
Berlin Brewers	$10,187,000			$10,271,000
Buenos Aires Armadillos	$10,017,000			$9,866,000
Cairo Sands	$10,132,000			$10,223,000
Cape Town Cobras	$10,800,000			$10,704,000
Christchurch Saints	$8,570,000		$130,000	$8,582,000		$118,000
Dublin Destroyers	$10,480,000			$10,521,000
London Royals	$9,940,000			$9,845,000
Mexico City Suns	$9,958,000			$9,897,000
Moscow Spetsnaz	$10,660,000			$10,645,000
New Delhi Tigers	$9,460,000			$9,466,000
New York Revolution	$9,675,000			$9,659,000
Pacific Islanders	$10,952,000	$52,000		$10,957,000	$57,000
PNL Reindeers	$10,611,000			$10,511,000
Rio de Janeiro Jaguars	$10,687,000			$10,769,000
Seoul Magpies	$10,814,000			$10,735,000
Tokyo Samurai	$11,051,000	$151,000		$11,041,000	$141,000
Toronto Wolves	$10,551,000			$10,610,000
No Club	$500,000			$500,000
METRICS
AVERAGE PER PLAYER	225,029.02			224,706.17
PLAYERS	827			827
AVERAGE LIST SIZE	45.94			45.94
AVERAGE SALARY	$10,337,833			$10,323,001
MAX	$10,900,000			$10,900,000
MIN	$8,700,000			$8,700,000

The average salary is about the same. Min and Max caps are the same.

And players such as Petracca and Simpkin are priced more, given their recent form. Which makes sense, because they'd be worth a lot more because of their recent form.

Conversely, Stefan Martin, Ben Brown and Tom McDonald are worth less, because... well... in TMac;s case... you all know I feel about that.

I would be for this change.

[RaisyDaisy]

Gets my vote too

The fact that it doesn't really make any glaring impact on each teams overall cap, but does put more weighting onto each individual player and their most recent form, makes complete sense to me

[Purple 77]

One thing to flag with you all in this upcoming trade/draft/list management season...

AFL lists are forecasted to reduce in size. This will have implications on how many draft picks you will be allocated, and also the min/max salary caps.

Hopefully the AFL will announce what the go is soon. But, my intention is to calculate the average salary per CURRENTLY LISTED AFL PLAYER, multiply that by the average AFL list size, to give us our average cap (and thus min/max).

I recall a suggestion meow had a year or two ago, which I rejected, but will seemingly be in force under the above approach.

He suggested that the cap calculations should not account for retired players (i.e. inactive AFL players). I led the 'rejection' vote claiming it was both too subject to change per-day, thus requiring multiple recalculations, and also, because I felt the current calculations show what the cap should be after a complete season, and therefore, no teams should be managing their teams either above or below the cap applied to a 'full' and 'active' list.

So, to clarify, this means:
- There'll at least be 1 less round in the national and rookie drafts, potentially more. This means you cannot trade 5th round national draft picks, or 4th round rookie draft picks.
- The min/max caps will be subject to change, until a certain point in time (this will become clear when the AFL actually makes a decision on whats happening).

So be prepared.

[Purple 77]

11 votes in

The following options have received 10 or more votes, and have thus decided the rule outcome

4. 'Default' WXV team submission (assuming the release of AFL team submission returns to normal next year)
A) Keep as is - best XV + 3 emergencies
B) Extra emergency - best XV + 4 emergencies

7. Salary cap modification
Please see this summary (salaries accurate as at the end of AFL Round 16)
A) Keep as is
B) Introduce an increased weighting to most recent year performance

So gone are the days of naming 3 emergencies, and we have now modified our cap slightly :)

[Purple 77]

13 votes in... another vote decided (option received at least 10 votes)

3. Minimum HGA

A) Keep as is - HGA score is the lowest scoring player
B) HGA score is the lowest scoring player, or 30, whichever is the highest

[Purple 77]

And with vote 14, another option has received the 10 required votes:

5. Rolling Lockouts (this is only in the context of rounds that require additional submission allowances i.e. for rounds where the default submission format is insufficient)
A) Continue to allow as necessary
B) Discontinue entirely and replace with 'best XV + 8 emergencies' submissions


Rolling lockouts now ded.

[GoLions]

And with vote 14, another option has received the 10 required votes:

5. Rolling Lockouts (this is only in the context of rounds that require additional submission allowances i.e. for rounds where the default submission format is insufficient)
A) Continue to allow as necessary
B) Discontinue entirely and replace with 'best XV + 8 emergencies' submissions


Rolling lockouts now ded.

This makes the resting and team format votes irrelevant now i assume?

[Holz]

And with vote 14, another option has received the 10 required votes:

5. Rolling Lockouts (this is only in the context of rounds that require additional submission allowances i.e. for rounds where the default submission format is insufficient)
A) Continue to allow as necessary
B) Discontinue entirely and replace with 'best XV + 8 emergencies' submissions


Rolling lockouts now ded.

This makes the resting and team format votes irrelevant now i assume?

Partial lockouts would still be there i believe. Rolling lockouts to me where the ones over multiple games.

[Purple 77]

And with vote 14, another option has received the 10 required votes:

5. Rolling Lockouts (this is only in the context of rounds that require additional submission allowances i.e. for rounds where the default submission format is insufficient)
A) Continue to allow as necessary
B) Discontinue entirely and replace with 'best XV + 8 emergencies' submissions


Rolling lockouts now ded.

This makes the resting and team format votes irrelevant now i assume?

Huh! Good question.

The only instance a partial lockout would apply is when an AFL round spans over Thursday to Sunday, and that the weekend team information is released Friday night before the full lockout.

If the team format vote gets up, this partial lockout would be important, should you decide to change the team format with the benefit of the weekends teams being known. Likewise resting I suppose.

[Purple 77]

Mexico City, Tokyo and Rio votes yet to be received

[PowerBug]

Mexico City, Tokyo and Rio votes yet to be received

I sent mine through two days ago?

[fanTCfool]

Mexico City, Tokyo and Rio votes yet to be received

I sent mine through two days ago?

Caretaker votes not allowed, we're waiting on Levi