Top 5 forwards

Started by meow meow, December 27, 2019, 03:49:00 PM

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IntegralX

Doesn’t pass the eye test for me. 9 CBs only and got most of his points from intercept possessions, not something that I’d call the bread and butter of his game. Heppell slides straight back into that midfield too so there’s even less ball for him.

Dev looks like a trap.

crowls

Quote from: SilverLion on March 02, 2020, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on March 01, 2020, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on March 01, 2020, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on February 29, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
Will Snelling anyone? 320k but tiny sample size but looked a whole lot more convincing than Dev did.
He's too fringe at Essendon IMO. Could easily have 1-2 average games and be dropped for someone like Guelfi or Ham. At least with Dev you know he's going nowhere.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but in his 4 game career he's already shown that he'll be better than players like Guelfi, Gleeson and Ham ever will be.

I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part because that'd be the easiest Dev replacement in history.
Why do you want a Dev replacement?
I am with Integral on this.   Keener on Will Snelling than Dev.   Snelling has proven can score SC points at VFL level.  He is mature ager and only upside on scoring if he plays in the mids for the Bombers, capable of providing a 90-95+ avg and generating 200k cash.   If he ends up averaging that i would not want to trade him out and save a trade. 


Greenwood, Petracca also very attractive fwd options.  With Taranto out and Conigs likely to split time forward, I think Whitfield now has to start at F1 rather than an upgrade.  Tempted to not start Dusty but it is hard not see him in top 6 at end of year.    Currently have Whitfield, Dusty, Greenwood, Snelling. 


Petracca likely to be an early upgrade if he comes out kicking butt as I expect him too.


jvalles69

Snelling had 0 CBA's, that factor alone tells me he'll be a rollercoaster.

crowls

Quote from: jvalles69 on March 03, 2020, 03:22:43 PM
Snelling had 0 CBA's, that factor alone tells me he'll be a rollercoaster.
Good point JV, did not notice the CBA's.    Still under consideration along with a Ceglar option and Stevens option.   All depends on starting rookies at the moment.

SilverLion

Quote from: crowls on March 03, 2020, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on March 02, 2020, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on March 01, 2020, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on March 01, 2020, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on February 29, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
Will Snelling anyone? 320k but tiny sample size but looked a whole lot more convincing than Dev did.
He's too fringe at Essendon IMO. Could easily have 1-2 average games and be dropped for someone like Guelfi or Ham. At least with Dev you know he's going nowhere.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but in his 4 game career he's already shown that he'll be better than players like Guelfi, Gleeson and Ham ever will be.

I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part because that'd be the easiest Dev replacement in history.
Why do you want a Dev replacement?
I am with Integral on this.   Keener on Will Snelling than Dev.   Snelling has proven can score SC points at VFL level.  He is mature ager and only upside on scoring if he plays in the mids for the Bombers, capable of providing a 90-95+ avg and generating 200k cash.   If he ends up averaging that i would not want to trade him out and save a trade. 


Greenwood, Petracca also very attractive fwd options.  With Taranto out and Conigs likely to split time forward, I think Whitfield now has to start at F1 rather than an upgrade.  Tempted to not start Dusty but it is hard not see him in top 6 at end of year.    Currently have Whitfield, Dusty, Greenwood, Snelling. 


Petracca likely to be an early upgrade if he comes out kicking butt as I expect him too.

Quote from: IntegralX on March 02, 2020, 09:06:49 PM
Doesn’t pass the eye test for me. 9 CBs only and got most of his points from intercept possessions, not something that I’d call the bread and butter of his game. Heppell slides straight back into that midfield too so there’s even less ball for him.

Dev looks like a trap.

Interesting. Ive just always thought at his price, Dev was a lock. But he may become one of those guys that averages 80 odd, and ya get stuck with him because there's always a guy ya need to trade before him. Given me some food for thought.

RaisyDaisy

I only just realised that of all the forwards we have this year, just 8 went 90+ last year

LOL that's horrible

With that being the case, I am now convinced Dev is a lock in my side - even if goes 85+ that's going to be good enough for F6 especially when he only costs 335k

eaglesman

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
I only just realised that of all the forwards we have this year, just 8 went 90+ last year

LOL that's horrible

With that being the case, I am now convinced Dev is a lock in my side - even if goes 85+ that's going to be good enough for F6 especially when he only costs 335k

Haha dude, that’s why I was promoting ceglar. Doesn’t have to score that flash to be worthwhile selection. If he’s number 1 ruck 85 should be comfortable and provides that valuable ruck coverage.

Bad year for forwards

crowls

Taken from post in BigFooty  my comments in red

I know we say this every year, but the forward mid-price crop this year seem like the strongest we've had for a while. Probably also because the forward premos come with question marks and the forward rookies seem weak

De Goey - more time in the middle, will still kick goals unclear what increase in midtime he will get. I see him more like a Stringer than a Dangerfield.
Dawson - plays all over the field, racks up big numbers, kicks a lot - 22yr old, inc disposals almost double I50 and tripled R50 last year, another preseason and natural improvement.  High possibility of improvement.
Parish - more midfield time, another preseason  natural progression expected again
Greenwood - new team, major midfield role, tackle machine agree, 51 games, no changes in key stats last couple of years.  I expect his floor to improve and therefore overall average 5-10 points.  makes him 90-95 player.
Gresham - more midfield time, another preseason disposals, tackles, I50 all increased last year. 22yrs old, likely improver.  8 games under 80.  more likely to improve than greenwood.
Petracca - finally looks fit, major midfield role stats down on disp, i50, r50 maintained SC avg.  scoring dependant on his tank and time in the middle.  ??
Rozee - more time in the middle, will still kick goals - 13 under 80 last year.  2nd year player - rather wait and see
Ceglar - impressive scores when rucking alone, cover for Grundy/Gawn looks like 85-95 scorer if single ruck makes him viable option with ruck cover at F6/7
Wingard - more time in the middle, will still kick goals -biased against and is a no
Lynch - great end of 2019, good early run with games at the G, plays for the best team - KPP roller coaster nuff said
McDonald - finally fit, good scoring history, has huge scores in him - see above
Acres - permanent wing role, should get big disposal numbers - if plays around the ball, capable of 90 plus, not for me as I expected him to show more by now.
Smith - fallen premo, if he stays fit he'll average 90+ - may get back to 2018 numbers see that as his cieling though.

Some would argue there's a couple more

You look at the top few and they only need to increase their average by 5-10 to be a success. Obviously if you're paying $400k+ you're basically stuck with them for the year


Based on the numbers and profiles Dawson, Parish, Gresham, Ceglar appear most likely to improve.   Petracca, Greenwood will need to be evidence based on games during the season.  Still have this unjustified belief Greenwood will break out.     As our friend says you pay 400k you are stuck with them for a long time.   some reminders from last year  Billings, Moore, Brayshaw all ended up being anchors 

2019 Fwds -  5 players totalled >1999 points and 5 players avg >94  they were not the same players. 

Gavdroid

Are we adding McPherson to the list now? Looked good in the two Marsh games

Mat0369


IntegralX

I'm settled with Whitfield at F1, then two of Greenwood/Petracca/Parish/Dawson/Gresham/McPherson/Ceglar at F2-3. I originally had 3 of them F2-4 but needed to cut money for Gawn. Might revert it if Marshall/Kreuzer/NN/Jacobs turn up.

Southstorm

Think there's much more value in the midprice options up forward this year than there is in the premiums, will be plenty of teams with a 1-3-2 structure.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Mat0369 on March 06, 2020, 09:19:11 PM
Trac is a lock.

54 at 3/4 time with 91% TOG

Everyone will jump off just as quick as they jumped on  ;D

Mat0369

He was at the majority of center bounces (with Brayshaw back in) and his pressure was phenomenal. The score didn't come but he passed the eye test. I'd pick him over Greenwood, Ceglar, Parish, Gresham, Rozee and Wingard.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Mat0369 on March 06, 2020, 11:27:40 PM
He was at the majority of center bounces (with Brayshaw back in) and his pressure was phenomenal. The score didn't come but he passed the eye test. I'd pick him over Greenwood, Ceglar, Parish, Gresham, Rozee and Wingard.

Unfortunately, his SC score is all that matters. 23 touches is encouraging though

Hard to ignore Ceglar now - clearly the #1 ruck, is scoring well and provides ruck cover. Seems like a hell of a lot of value for money