Correctional trades

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Judd Magic

Quote from: LaHug on March 27, 2019, 10:18:04 AM
It's been said a million times but be careful bringing in Sheed and Rocky next week with Gaff and Wines coming back in. No certainty it'll hurt their scoring but it might.

Yeah that's good food for thought.

I would like to see Sheed and Rocky play at least a game each with Gaff and Wines back in the team.

Gaff did play in both JLT games though and Sheed still killed it in both of them.

Jalapeno

Quote from: LaHug on March 27, 2019, 10:18:04 AM
It's been said a million times but be careful bringing in Sheed and Rocky next week with Gaff and Wines coming back in. No certainty it'll hurt their scoring but it might.

This is so true. I started Rocky but will not be bringing sheed in as I think it will impact him a fair bit.

GoLions

Quote from: Jalapeno on March 27, 2019, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: LaHug on March 27, 2019, 10:18:04 AM
It's been said a million times but be careful bringing in Sheed and Rocky next week with Gaff and Wines coming back in. No certainty it'll hurt their scoring but it might.

This is so true. I started Rocky but will not be bringing sheed in as I think it will impact him a fair bit.
Would impact Drew if anything though?

js19

Quote from: GoLions on March 27, 2019, 10:30:27 AM
Quote from: Jalapeno on March 27, 2019, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: LaHug on March 27, 2019, 10:18:04 AM
It's been said a million times but be careful bringing in Sheed and Rocky next week with Gaff and Wines coming back in. No certainty it'll hurt their scoring but it might.

This is so true. I started Rocky but will not be bringing sheed in as I think it will impact him a fair bit.
Would impact Drew if anything though?

And SPP you’d think. Also may push Gray more fwd as he’s an elite player there as well

PowerBug

SPP is probably the one that leaves the 22 to facilitate a Wines return. Gray's midfield minutes shouldn't be impacted because they are different types of players. Ebert is the one we will see up forward more.

Rockliff won't be hurt by a Wines return. Rockliff being hurt himself is the only danger of picking this guy ;)
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MontyJnr

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For all the sheep saying never trade after R1...

Grundy looks underdone. If he performs poorly this week and Westhoff does well, I am going to want to make that trade next week before Grundy leaks cash. Any team that productively used the money saved on not picking Grundy will have a clear advantage on the rest. Westhoff would be a solid placeholder who can finish the season as a premium forward when the top 2 rucks become clearer.

If Rockliff dominates again (he's got Carlton at home), he becomes a must-have at his price. Libba/Walsh/Oliver would be the potential candidates I would trade to him.

If Wilkie puts up another decent score in the Roberton role, he becomes a must-have rookie next week. Getting your rookies right is always the priority and Collins is in the boxseat to be moved on at 188k playing Rory Thompson's KPD lockdown role.

As far as I am concerned, it would be a disaster next week if I need to jump on Wilkie so I don't miss the boat and then have to choose whether I A) miss Rockliff or B) hold Grundy and lose a ****load of cash while Westhoff increases in value.

This is all without factoring in what Newman does.

It is risky to trade after R1, but also just as risky to hold IMO.

ubeaut

Quote from: MontyJnr on March 27, 2019, 11:06:53 AM
For all the sheep saying never trade after R1...

Grundy looks underdone. If he performs poorly this week and Westhoff does well, I am going to want to make that trade next week before Grundy leaks cash. Any team that productively used the money saved on not picking Grundy will have a clear advantage on the rest. Westhoff would be a solid placeholder who can finish the season as a premium forward when the top 2 rucks become clearer.

If Rockliff dominates again (he's got Carlton at home), he becomes a must-have at his price. Libba/Walsh/Oliver would be the potential candidates I would trade to him.

If Wilkie puts up another decent score in the Roberton role, he becomes a must-have rookie next week. Getting your rookies right is always the priority and Collins is in the boxseat to be moved on at 188k playing Rory Thompson's KPD lockdown role.

As far as I am concerned, it would be a disaster next week if I need to jump on Wilkie so I don't miss the boat and then have to choose whether I A) miss Rockliff or B) hold Grundy and lose a ****load of cash while Westhoff increases in value.

This is all without factoring in what Newman does.

It is risky to trade after R1, but also just as risky to hold IMO.
Couldn't agree more with this.
Not trading after round 1 has hurt me more than trading in the past.

IntegralX

Quote from: MontyJnr on March 27, 2019, 11:06:53 AM
For all the sheep saying never trade after R1...

Grundy looks underdone. If he performs poorly this week and Westhoff does well, I am going to want to make that trade next week before Grundy leaks cash. Any team that productively used the money saved on not picking Grundy will have a clear advantage on the rest. Westhoff would be a solid placeholder who can finish the season as a premium forward when the top 2 rucks become clearer.

If Rockliff dominates again (he's got Carlton at home), he becomes a must-have at his price. Libba/Walsh/Oliver would be the potential candidates I would trade to him.

If Wilkie puts up another decent score in the Roberton role, he becomes a must-have rookie next week. Getting your rookies right is always the priority and Collins is in the boxseat to be moved on at 188k playing Rory Thompson's KPD lockdown role.

As far as I am concerned, it would be a disaster next week if I need to jump on Wilkie so I don't miss the boat and then have to choose whether I A) miss Rockliff or B) hold Grundy and lose a ****load of cash while Westhoff increases in value.

This is all without factoring in what Newman does.

It is risky to trade after R1, but also just as risky to hold IMO.

I assume if you don't have Collins or Scrimshaw, then Wilkie doesn't become a must have? My only trade candidate is Hore and unless he does a Balta (i.e. scores 18) and gets dropped (because Hore won;t be as lucky as Balta) then you can skip Wilkie, correct?

Keeper27

no trades as of yet, but i dont have Wilkie or Parker, instead like most i chose Burgess and Balta.
problem is i'd also like to bring in Sheed/Rocky

got the money to turn Libba into one of them and a straight sway from Burgess/Balta to Wilkie/Parker
just hoping Parker and Burgess stinks it up and and one of Rocky/Sheed does too to make my decision easier

Wanderer

The whole jumping on Westhoff before his price goes up doesn't make sense because his price won't be going up much at all. Yes, get him in if you want, but I can't see his price jumping too much TBH. There is more chance of his price actually coming down than up. He is currently priced at an average of around 110. I don't think he will be pumping 140's out every week.

MontyJnr

Quote from: IntegralX on March 27, 2019, 12:14:51 PM
I assume if you don't have Collins or Scrimshaw, then Wilkie doesn't become a must have? My only trade candidate is Hore and unless he does a Balta (i.e. scores 18) and gets dropped (because Hore won;t be as lucky as Balta) then you can skip Wilkie, correct?

I would be less inclined to make the Wilkie trade early if I didn't have Collins, but the potential outcomes I posed above still apply.

Like it is not out of the question that Wilkie plays loose halfback this weekend, takes a stack of intercepts and scores 90+. If that happens, everyone would look for a way to bring him in - even at the expense of Hore who could possibly be dropped for KK.

bkimm32

#131
Wilkie is by no means a lock in the saints best 22 guys... And he certainly isn't an intercept defender or loose half back. Everyone needs to stop getting carried away. He could well have a 30 this week while Collins has a 75+

sammy123

Quote from: Judd Magic on March 27, 2019, 09:22:17 AM
Quote from: sammy123 on March 27, 2019, 02:12:57 AM
Quote from: Judd Magic on March 26, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: djtranny on March 26, 2019, 11:49:05 PM
Lol @ trading premos within first few rounds  :o

This game isn't won by playing it safe champ.

Ha wasting trades doesnt win you much mate

It's not wasting trades if Oliver spuds it up again, goes under 100 and trading him helps me bring in Sheed\Rocky and Worpel\Newman if they all ton up again.  8)

Oliver scores crap again. Long term oliver outscores all them players named

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: MontyJnr on March 27, 2019, 11:06:53 AM
For all the sheep saying never trade after R1...

Grundy looks underdone. If he performs poorly this week and Westhoff does well, I am going to want to make that trade next week before Grundy leaks cash. Any team that productively used the money saved on not picking Grundy will have a clear advantage on the rest. Westhoff would be a solid placeholder who can finish the season as a premium forward when the top 2 rucks become clearer.

If Rockliff dominates again (he's got Carlton at home), he becomes a must-have at his price. Libba/Walsh/Oliver would be the potential candidates I would trade to him.

If Wilkie puts up another decent score in the Roberton role, he becomes a must-have rookie next week. Getting your rookies right is always the priority and Collins is in the boxseat to be moved on at 188k playing Rory Thompson's KPD lockdown role.

As far as I am concerned, it would be a disaster next week if I need to jump on Wilkie so I don't miss the boat and then have to choose whether I A) miss Rockliff or B) hold Grundy and lose a ****load of cash while Westhoff increases in value.

This is all without factoring in what Newman does.

It is risky to trade after R1, but also just as risky to hold IMO.

That's fair, but there's always two sides to an argument

These type of moves might gain you points/cash in the short term, they could also cost you points/cash in the long term

The guys you bring in early could turn to shower and then required ANOTHER TRADE later on, and the extra trades you use now could leave you without trades and copping donuts/poor rookie scores later in the year. On the flip side, they could pay off and turn into keepers - but I'd rather pay 50k more for them once they've shown some continuity - not 1 or 2 good games

Bottom line, there is no right or wrong answer, but what we do know for a fact is that at certain points throughout the season you need to show restraint and hold trades, even if it means copping cash loss or a lower score from a player you have, because injuries happen, players get dropped, and trades get churned through

It's a balancing act, and a very difficult one at that. Personally, the team I picked are all still fit and playing so I'll back them in - there's a reason I chose the players I did, and I don't think I need to go back on months of researching based off 1 round. Admittedly if I had players (Eg Collins) that I think are now bad picks then yes I would trade this week, but talk of dropping guys like Oliver, Grundy etc is just silly imo and we should give them time to get going and back them in, because the saved trades now will net me even more points later in the season than the points potentially gained now

LaHug

So you're saying I should trade Collins?