2019 Defenders

Started by Southstorm, January 27, 2019, 09:17:55 PM

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Bully

Quote from: Holz on March 04, 2019, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2019, 08:17:39 PM
Quote from: crowls on March 04, 2019, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on March 04, 2019, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on March 04, 2019, 05:08:10 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.

Because he's only 150k more than most of the rookies, I place him in the same boat as Roberton, not someone you'd pick in the 450k region but certainly viable as a mid pricer with upside & guaranteed earnings potential. Smith & Roberton come in at just over 600k, I think you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a better combo using the same dosh.

He is 330k

Thats 200k more then jones durrsma hore burgees.

For 70k more you can get williams.

Roberton is a fine pick as he is 30k cheaper and has gone 90+


Toby Greene is 20k more and mucg betted then smith

Have Williams, Roberton & Greene & I believe Smith is the next best option in the mid price range. The guys you mention are suitable for the bench & have suspect job security. If after 2 rounds Smith isn't averaging 80 & one of the rookies kills it I'll use a correction trade but I think 330k is fair weight.

StuL

Is Williams at D1 madness? I don't think so but. Maybe it is. This year IS different though. In the past our top line defenders have been low 5s. The top 3 at least all look way overs. And with the kick in rules as long as you pick players on kick ins, they will score even if not having a huge game. AND, guys like Robo and Williams aren't genuine mid pricers, fallen premos who should bounce back.

Slim Don

Quote from: AaronKirk on March 05, 2019, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on March 05, 2019, 11:20:51 AM
Hooker to miss six weeks with a calf, Ridley should now be a lock.

Depends how our defense sets up. Hurley and Ambrose to play 1v1 roles with Francis the intercept mark player with Saad/McKenna/McGrath etc the smaller defenders.

Wouldn't be rushing him in. 1 bad game in the seniors if Ridley is picked and he could be back to reserve grade. He is an awkward price.

Agreed. Can’t see how Hooker going down affects Ridleys prospects at all. Ridley is an outside distributor type with a good leg. Hooker is a key defender/swing man. The players whose JS/TOG/role who would be affected by his injury would be Ambrose, Hartley, Francis

Slim Don

Quote from: Bully on March 05, 2019, 10:40:32 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 04, 2019, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2019, 08:17:39 PM
Quote from: crowls on March 04, 2019, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on March 04, 2019, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on March 04, 2019, 05:08:10 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.

Because he's only 150k more than most of the rookies, I place him in the same boat as Roberton, not someone you'd pick in the 450k region but certainly viable as a mid pricer with upside & guaranteed earnings potential. Smith & Roberton come in at just over 600k, I think you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a better combo using the same dosh.

He is 330k

Thats 200k more then jones durrsma hore burgees.

For 70k more you can get williams.

Roberton is a fine pick as he is 30k cheaper and has gone 90+


Toby Greene is 20k more and mucg betted then smith

Have Williams, Roberton & Greene & I believe Smith is the next best option in the mid price range. The guys you mention are suitable for the bench & have suspect job security. If after 2 rounds Smith isn't averaging 80 & one of the rookies kills it I'll use a correction trade but I think 330k is fair weight.

But is 80 really good enough? Your not making any cash and a good rookie can potentially maintain a 75k average for 6-8 rounds even in defence (think finlayson, Oxley, K.Macintosh, Maynard from the past few years) who nobody knew squat about or mentioned as viable options before JLT performances. Enough Decent scoring rookie options generally pop up and if I’m paying 330k for a guy I want 90 minimum, which Smith has done once in his career, 5 years ago

Bully

Quote from: Slim Don on March 05, 2019, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 05, 2019, 10:40:32 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 04, 2019, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2019, 08:17:39 PM
Quote from: crowls on March 04, 2019, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on March 04, 2019, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on March 04, 2019, 05:08:10 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.

Because he's only 150k more than most of the rookies, I place him in the same boat as Roberton, not someone you'd pick in the 450k region but certainly viable as a mid pricer with upside & guaranteed earnings potential. Smith & Roberton come in at just over 600k, I think you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a better combo using the same dosh.

He is 330k

Thats 200k more then jones durrsma hore burgees.

For 70k more you can get williams.

Roberton is a fine pick as he is 30k cheaper and has gone 90+


Toby Greene is 20k more and mucg betted then smith

Have Williams, Roberton & Greene & I believe Smith is the next best option in the mid price range. The guys you mention are suitable for the bench & have suspect job security. If after 2 rounds Smith isn't averaging 80 & one of the rookies kills it I'll use a correction trade but I think 330k is fair weight.

But is 80 really good enough? Your not making any cash and a good rookie can potentially maintain a 75k average for 6-8 rounds even in defence (think finlayson, Oxley, K.Macintosh, Maynard from the past few years) who nobody knew squat about or mentioned as viable options before JLT performances. Enough Decent scoring rookie options generally pop up and if I’m paying 330k for a guy I want 90 minimum, which Smith has done once in his career, 5 years ago

Granted he does come with risk, I checked his price variance since his AA year & he always clocks in at 450k at some stage. The real question is whether he does this early or late, his last 13 matches have been pretty solid with seven 90+ scores in 13 matches. At the age of 27 he should be approaching peak performance & may even benefit from the new kick out rules. With many people running with Collins I don't think it's outlandish to pay 140k more for a guy who has significant upside. Don't think he's a keeper but he could be very handy as a potential upgrade over the bye period. Round 14 bye as well so perfect timing to get a top 6 back into the side.

jvalles69

Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)

_wato

Quote from: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)

How madness is it to go Laird > Smith and upgrade Hately to say a Dom Sheed? Could easily cost me same trades if Smith reaches 450 and Sheed based off current form goes north of 500k. Risky as hell though.

jvalles69

Quote from: _wato on March 06, 2019, 04:03:39 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)

How madness is it to go Laird > Smith and upgrade Hately to say a Dom Sheed? Could easily cost me same trades if Smith reaches 450 and Sheed based off current form goes north of 500k. Risky as hell though.

That is mid price mayhem!  Might do something like that in AF though, not SC.

Money Shot

Quote from: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
I personally have just went Laird to Smith

Williams, Newman, McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Clark (Burgess, Hore)


jvalles69

Quote from: Money Shot on March 06, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
I personally have just went Laird to Smith

Williams, Newman, McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Clark (Burgess, Hore)

Holy hell.  Wonder how many of this have something similar only to reverse changes back to Laird, Whitfield/Lloyd, Williams right before round 1 starts, lol.

Money Shot

Quote from: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 06, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
I personally have just went Laird to Smith

Williams, Newman, McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Clark (Burgess, Hore)

Holy hell.  Wonder how many of this have something similar only to reverse changes back to Laird, Whitfield/Lloyd, Williams right before round 1 starts, lol.
Hahahaha the more I look at it the more I like it!!!

Rusty00

Quote from: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
Wasn't this just some banter on twitter some time ago? Or is this something different?

jvalles69

Quote from: Rusty00 on March 06, 2019, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
Wasn't this just some banter on twitter some time ago? Or is this something different?

Only saw the quotes and comments pop up today on twitter.

crowls

what difference will who takes the kickin make in SC scoring output.   That is not clear to me yet, so why change.   No way in hell am I expecting Brodie Smith to be top 10 defender.   

Mat0369

He doesn't have to be top 10, just a good stepping stone. 0 back is the future