2019 Defenders

[shaker]

As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.

JLT might not give us many answers think it was Danger said in the last week there is a good chance coaches won't give much away in JLT preferring to keep there plans secret till the season proper , JLT as usual will be a chance to see the rookies perform.

[duffercoat]

As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.

I see a lot of people assuming its just going to be more points to the players kicking out. Theres so much more to it though. Players that used to receive the ball from kick-ins will have their points effected, players that used to take contested marks will be effected and entire structures are likely to change with the ball going over zones instead of them creating a repeat stoppage.

I think its super important to see the different strategies in play and gauge how teams will approach it, as its unlikely the scoring is similar to 2018. More chance of a shake up to the top 10 defenders than ever I'd think.

[ubeaut]

As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.

Good point. Also while we are focusing on the positives of the kick in rule, there could be negatives.
1.) Less kick to kick in the back half with teams going long more often.
2.) More sharing of the kick ins as if teams want to play on ASAP whoever is nearest the goal will take it rather than waiting for the designated kicker/s

[Ringo]

As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.

JLT might not give us many answers think it was Danger said in the last week there is a good chance coaches won't give much away in JLT preferring to keep there plans secret till the season proper , JLT as usual will be a chance to see the rookies perform.

Realise that as well but may give some indication I am sure coaches will be trialing a number of scenarios through JLT to give an idea of what will work.

[Pokerface]

Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.

Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.

I actually think Lloyd is a massive risk at the price for someone who has had hip surgery and only just resumed full training. I don't think he is a top 6 defender this year - at least not in the first half anyway.

[Ricochet]

Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.

Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.

I actually think Lloyd is a massive risk at the price for someone who has had hip surgery and only just resumed full training. I don't think he is a top 6 defender this year - at least not in the first half anyway.

Can understand you're reasoning for not starting him, but this is a big call. He went 112 last year and will be one of the major beneficiaries of the new rules. May drop because of an interrupted preseason, but the new rules might also cancel that out.

[Pokerface]

Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.

Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.

I actually think Lloyd is a massive risk at the price for someone who has had hip surgery and only just resumed full training. I don't think he is a top 6 defender this year - at least not in the first half anyway.

Can understand you're reasoning for not starting him, but this is a big call. He went 112 last year and will be one of the major beneficiaries of the new rules. May drop because of an interrupted preseason, but the new rules might also cancel that out.

Yeah true, I agree in the second half he probably is, I think I worded that wrong. But I don't think it's a sure thing - one season over 87 out of seven, and the uncontested loose man in defence type will need to be more accountable this year.

[Ricochet]

Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.

Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.

I actually think Lloyd is a massive risk at the price for someone who has had hip surgery and only just resumed full training. I don't think he is a top 6 defender this year - at least not in the first half anyway.

Can understand you're reasoning for not starting him, but this is a big call. He went 112 last year and will be one of the major beneficiaries of the new rules. May drop because of an interrupted preseason, but the new rules might also cancel that out.

Yeah true, I agree in the second half he probably is, I think I worded that wrong. But I don't think it's a sure thing - one season over 87 out of seven, and the uncontested loose man in defence type will need to be more accountable this year.

Only at CBDs. I can see teams still manufacturing spares during general play

[RaisyDaisy]

Not quite sure what to make of this

Fantasy Freako @FantasyFreako
Whitfield played 70% of game time as a defender during the H&A rounds. That figure dropped to 10% for both of the Giants' finals once Williams returned - spending 82% of time on the wing.

Went 130+ both times, which sounds very good, but as someone said on twitter he had 8 rebound 50's in one of those games so even though he was on a wing he was clearly spending a lot of time down back, so not really sure what to make of this stat

[elephants]

Not quite sure what to make of this

Fantasy Freako @FantasyFreako
Whitfield played 70% of game time as a defender during the H&A rounds. That figure dropped to 10% for both of the Giants' finals once Williams returned - spending 82% of time on the wing.

Went 130+ both times, which sounds very good, but as someone said on twitter he had 8 rebound 50's in one of those games so even though he was on a wing he was clearly spending a lot of time down back, so not really sure what to make of this stat

Kelly also didn't play 7 of those 8 quarters too

[eaglesman]

Not quite sure what to make of this

Fantasy Freako @FantasyFreako
Whitfield played 70% of game time as a defender during the H&A rounds. That figure dropped to 10% for both of the Giants' finals once Williams returned - spending 82% of time on the wing.

Went 130+ both times, which sounds very good, but as someone said on twitter he had 8 rebound 50's in one of those games so even though he was on a wing he was clearly spending a lot of time down back, so not really sure what to make of this stat

Kelly also didn't play 7 of those 8 quarters too

Surely teams lock down on this bloke?

[enzedder]

James Sicily v Carlton
Played in defence, pushed into attack to receive a handball for 2 shots on Goal from outside 50 with no opponent, had 2 kick-ins running well outside the goal square, it appears he is the preferred option for kick-ins.
Source- aflratings.com.au

Will be a solid pick.

[elephants]

James Sicily v Carlton
Played in defence, pushed into attack to receive a handball for 2 shots on Goal from outside 50 with no opponent, had 2 kick-ins running well outside the goal square, it appears he is the preferred option for kick-ins.
Source- aflratings.com.au

Will be a solid pick.

Hasn't moved since day 1, SC freak who has all the kickins on lock

[Ricochet]

Jake Lloyd playing in the Swans/GWS scratchy

[elephants]

Jake Lloyd playing in the Swans/GWS scratchy

Great sign, that fitness base is clearly hectic. Must have been all those army style fitness programs his old boy put him through as a kid haha. On Lloyd, is sharing kickins with Thurlow atm