2019 Defenders

[RaisyDaisy]

Secondary question is that if there is this increase in points allocated due to the change in kickins (and ruck / 6-6-6), where is the corresponding loss since SC is a set 3300 odd points? Are we going to see less tackles / intercept marks etc.?

The kicks in are just normal kicks, and handballs now count too

I can't see how it would really impact the overall 3300 being spread around - every game will still be scaled at the end too so there really isn't any difference here other than an 20 - 30 kicks and a few handballs now per match being counted

[elephants]

Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more

How many kick ins did he mark though? If the kick ins used to be short to Laird in the pocket then he could be in line to lose a significant number of points overall.

Exactly right!

It will definitely impact lairds scoring.

But what's to stop teams still employing a short kick tactic? The zones will be even deeper now meaning theoretically there should be even more short kick gaps.

That's about the point I got to where I said "I am overthinking this to the stage where there is no current clear answer" Can only wait and watch JLT I think but even then coaches wont be showing all their cards.

Safest call is to suggest it will even out. Laird wont be on kickins (that's BSmith) but he will probably get just as many short kicks

[RaisyDaisy]

Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more

How many kick ins did he mark though? If the kick ins used to be short to Laird in the pocket then he could be in line to lose a significant number of points overall.

Exactly right!

It will definitely impact lairds scoring.

But what's to stop teams still employing a short kick tactic? The zones will be even deeper now meaning theoretically there should be even more short kick gaps.

That's about the point I got to where I said "I am overthinking this to the stage where there is no current clear answer" Can only wait and watch JLT I think but even then coaches wont be showing all their cards.

Safest call is to suggest it will even out. Laird wont be on kickins (that's BSmith) but he will probably get just as many short kicks

I agree

What am I missing here?

Just because the player doesn't have to kick the ball to themselves before running over the square line, and because the oppo has to now be 10m away from the square line, why is everyone talking like we're never going to see short kicks again??

6-6-6 only applies to centre square bounces doesn't it? So if teams start flooding the 50-60m area to counter the long kick, then the short kick will continue to be used regularly won't it?

[Ringo]

Secondary question is that if there is this increase in points allocated due to the change in kickins (and ruck / 6-6-6), where is the corresponding loss since SC is a set 3300 odd points? Are we going to see less tackles / intercept marks etc.?

maybe less points to allocate at games conclusion and we will not see the 20 points for a winning goal etc. Finally if this translates to extra points SC CD may become more transparent. 

[Mat0369]

What am I missing here?

Just because the player doesn't have to kick the ball to themselves before running over the square line, and because the oppo has to now be 10m away from the square line, why is everyone talking like we're never going to see short kicks again??

6-6-6 only applies to centre square bounces doesn't it? So if teams start flooding the 50-60m area to counter the long kick, then the short kick will continue to be used regularly won't it?

Teams aren't going to change their game plan and bomb it to congestion for an extra 10 meters.

What you might see is guys running laterally and playing on quickly, but this will probably hurt designated kickers if they aren't back there to take the kick with pace of ball movement the key to beating a zone. This might result in an even spread of say three or 4 guys taking the kicks compare to one. You will also have guys stepping on or over the line to gain possessions which were not there before.

[kilbluff1985]

right now my defense is Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton based on value and kick in rule

and allows me to have Danger, Smith, Heeney, Dunkley in fwds

[elephants]

right now my defense is Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton based on value and kick in rule

and allows me to have Danger, Smith, Heeney, Dunkley in fwds

You're gonna be disappointed when Savage turns out to be the main kicker for St Kilda with Jimmy Webster in support :P Take Williams instead!

[kilbluff1985]

right now my defense is Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton based on value and kick in rule

and allows me to have Danger, Smith, Heeney, Dunkley in fwds

You're gonna be disappointed when Savage turns out to be the main kicker for St Kilda with Jimmy Webster in support :P Take Williams instead!

i said based on value to which is why Roberton is in

[elephants]

right now my defense is Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton based on value and kick in rule

and allows me to have Danger, Smith, Heeney, Dunkley in fwds

You're gonna be disappointed when Savage turns out to be the main kicker for St Kilda with Jimmy Webster in support :P Take Williams instead!

i said based on value to which is why Roberton is in

Fair, but no Williams hurts my eyes!

[_wato]

Much love for Sicily around these parts ???
Tempting to start him at D1. Any reason not to?

All 8 of his tons were 110+, and only 2 scores under 85 so very reliable.

[RaisyDaisy]

Much love for Sicily around these parts ???
Tempting to start him at D1. Any reason not to?

All 8 of his tons were 110+, and only 2 scores under 85 so very reliable.

Takes his fair share of kick ins too - I've tried fitting him in because I think he is easily one of the best def scorers, but because he misses games usually I just can't pick him over Lloyd or Laird who I think should score the same but are more durable

[elephants]

Much love for Sicily around these parts ???
Tempting to start him at D1. Any reason not to?

All 8 of his tons were 110+, and only 2 scores under 85 so very reliable.

Takes his fair share of kick ins too - I've tried fitting him in because I think he is easily one of the best def scorers, but because he misses games usually I just can't pick him over Lloyd or Laird who I think should score the same but are more durable

I've currently got him. No reason he wont be a top 3 defender, only issue is missing games through injury and suspension.

[Colley Dogs]

Much love for Sicily around these parts ???
Tempting to start him at D1. Any reason not to?

All 8 of his tons were 110+, and only 2 scores under 85 so very reliable.

Takes his fair share of kick ins too - I've tried fitting him in because I think he is easily one of the best def scorers, but because he misses games usually I just can't pick him over Lloyd or Laird who I think should score the same but are more durable

I have Sicily - Ryan - Williams - Smith - Rookie - Rookie.

Ideally would love Laird/Lloyd alongside Sicily, but can’t afford it for balance on other lines. I’ve been surprised there hasn’t been more mention of him. I suppose it’s because Whitfield offers better value. Personally I’m staying away from Whitfield. For me it’s Sicily + and I’m not wavering from that.

[Rusty00]

Birchall has stated "It will be highly unlikely I will be ready for round one"

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2

[ubeaut]

Birchall has stated "It will be highly unlikely I will be ready for round one"

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2

In other news water is wet and the sky is blue. Was never going to happen.