2019 Defenders

[quinny88]

I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?

The square isn't longer though. The man on the mark just has to be further back which will mean the square is basically irrelevant. Gives them more space to move out of the square forward or either side even if they are only going Short. Going to be interesting

True enough but every time a player kicks long to the flank they go within a few inches of the goal square line. Nearly 100% of those kicks will now take place outside of the goal square.

Yeah that's what I mean, even short kicks to the pocket they will step outside a lot of the time because there's nothing stopping them and no frontal pressure

[HappyDEZ]

I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?

The square isn't longer though. The man on the mark just has to be further back which will mean the square is basically irrelevant. Gives them more space to move out of the square forward or either side even if they are only going Short. Going to be interesting

True enough but every time a player kicks long to the flank they go within a few inches of the goal square line. Nearly 100% of those kicks will now take place outside of the goal square.

Yeah that's what I mean, even short kicks to the pocket they will step outside a lot of the time because there's nothing stopping them and no frontal pressure

+1

[elephants]

I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?

That's just it! Nobody knows yet because we havent seen anything. The whole point of changing the man on the mark is to decrease the impact of fwd zones as it's much easier to cover fwd flank to fwd flank than it is to cover wing to wing. Gonna be extremely interesting and I actually think a few players will suffer/benefit massively

Makes this upcoming JLT the most interesting yet haha

[Ringo]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-05/who-will-get-a-fantasy-scoring-boost-thanks-to-new-rules

Article from the AFL looking at who benefits from change in rules. Although scoring based on AF would expect similar in SC. Article goes through all clubs and has a table at the end. Their conclusion is Ryan and Lloyd will be the biggest beneficiaries. Two that maybe worth watching in JLT at cheaper prices are Steven May and Luke Brown.

[shaker]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-05/who-will-get-a-fantasy-scoring-boost-thanks-to-new-rules

Article from the AFL looking at who benefits from change in rules. Although scoring based on AF would expect similar in SC. Article goes through all clubs and has a table at the end. Their conclusion is Ryan and Lloyd will be the biggest beneficiaries. Two that maybe worth watching in JLT at cheaper prices are Steven May and Luke Brown.

Yes the coaches will be trying new things in the JLT with this new rule and could we see the an increase of big booming torps now with more time and less pressure I hope so , this could add more points to even a bigger group of players.

[elephants]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-05/who-will-get-a-fantasy-scoring-boost-thanks-to-new-rules

Article from the AFL looking at who benefits from change in rules. Although scoring based on AF would expect similar in SC. Article goes through all clubs and has a table at the end. Their conclusion is Ryan and Lloyd will be the biggest beneficiaries. Two that maybe worth watching in JLT at cheaper prices are Steven May and Luke Brown.

This will be the key this season to defenders and probably your whole season. The more designated kickers you can jag the better. I had a look through the teams and most sides have anywhere from 1-3 players that could make kickouts their own. Strategy will also be extremely important, do teams opt for the biggest kick in their team (like a Suckling/Short)? Or do they look for someone with elite pace that can burn off their opponent and add an extra 15-20m that way (Williams/McKenna).

Bad examples there as all play for different clubs but it applies to almost every team.

[eg6914]

Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

[Woppa15]

Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

It will definitely be a lot more difficult to leave your man and take intercept marks and obviously won’t be the option to just float around as a spare back.

[Gigantor]

Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

It will definitely be a lot more difficult to leave your man and take intercept marks and obviously won’t be the option to just float around as a spare back.

The zoning rule is only for center bounces, shouldn't have that much of an impact

[eg6914]

Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

It will definitely be a lot more difficult to leave your man and take intercept marks and obviously won’t be the option to just float around as a spare back.

The zoning rule is only for center bounces, shouldn't have that much of an impact

That's why I think only the players that play the spitter role may get impacted - as the new rules basically wipe out that role now

[Pokerface]

Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

It will definitely be a lot more difficult to leave your man and take intercept marks and obviously won’t be the option to just float around as a spare back.

The zoning rule is only for center bounces, shouldn't have that much of an impact

Think you'll see alot more centre bounces though - scoring should increase as a sum of all the new rules

[eaglesman]

Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more

How many kick ins did he mark though? If the kick ins used to be short to Laird in the pocket then he could be in line to lose a significant number of points overall.

Exactly right!

It will definitely impact lairds scoring.

[quinny88]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-05/who-will-get-a-fantasy-scoring-boost-thanks-to-new-rules

Article from the AFL looking at who benefits from change in rules. Although scoring based on AF would expect similar in SC. Article goes through all clubs and has a table at the end. Their conclusion is Ryan and Lloyd will be the biggest beneficiaries. Two that maybe worth watching in JLT at cheaper prices are Steven May and Luke Brown.

Scary to think Jake Lloyds numbers are probably going to rise

[rebird]

Secondary question is that if there is this increase in points allocated due to the change in kickins (and ruck / 6-6-6), where is the corresponding loss since SC is a set 3300 odd points? Are we going to see less tackles / intercept marks etc.?

[RaisyDaisy]

What am I missing here?

Just because the player doesn't have to kick the ball to themselves before running over the square line, and because the oppo has to now be 10m away from the square line, why is everyone talking like we're never going to see short kicks again??

6-6-6 only applies to centre square bounces doesn't it? So if teams start flooding the 50-60m area to counter the long kick, then the short kick will continue to be used regularly won't it?