2019 Defenders

[RaisyDaisy]

Fox Sports has him on the fringe, and not in the 22

Just their opinion of course, but either way, his JS will be questionable so for that reason alone he's a clear pass

B: D. Astbury, A. Rance, B. Houli

HB: N. Vlastuin, D. Grimes, N. Broad

C: S. Edwards, T. Cotchin, K. Lambert

HF: D. Rioli, T. Lynch, D. Butler

F: J. Higgins, J. Riewoldt, J. Caddy

FOL: T. Nankervis, D. Martin, D. Prestia

I/C: S. Grigg, J. Castagna, J. Graham, J. Short

EMG: B. Ellis, S. Bolton, K. McIntosh, C. Menadue

[Nige]

Difference between quinny's and that one for those trying to work it out are:

Broad and Graham in for Ellis and McIntosh.

Personally, I think Brando is best 22 to begin with (since we're keen to playing him in the wing role) and I say that as someone who isn't his biggest fan.

I'd also have Graham and Menadue over Grigg and McIntosh (ripping blokes but limited players).

Also don't think Castagna should be best 22 either, but that's a different conversation.

But yeah, if we're even having a discussion about his JS, that should be enough to rule him out.

[quinny88]

Anyone tempted by Brandon Ellis?

$387k and before 18' he went 97, 100, 85, 91

Fell out of favour a bit last year with the emergence of Short playing the rebounding role and taking over the kick ins but Ellis has a huge tank and is very durable and said he's having a role change this year and playing on the wing

Carn quinny, you know as well as I do as a fellow Tiges man that picking Brando is very much playing with fire.

No doubt haha. I'm only asking the question if anyone's considering as he has stated he's moving back to the wing where he has a good history of scoring. At $387k and only having missed 4 games in 5 years, he's not as big a risk as some might think

[Woppa15]

Does any have or know where I can find statistics on players taking kick ins? Keen to put this up against the players I’m considering as Defensive options.
Many thanks in advance!

[shaker]

Does any have or know where I can find statistics on players taking kick ins? Keen to put this up against the players I’m considering as Defensive options.
Many thanks in advance!

If you go into 2019 locks and go back a page LaHug put up an AFL site with lots of kick in stats for all clubs , just been in there myself  ;D

[Woppa15]

Does any have or know where I can find statistics on players taking kick ins? Keen to put this up against the players I’m considering as Defensive options.
Many thanks in advance!

If you go into 2019 locks and go back a page LaHug put up an AFL site with lots of kick in stats for all clubs , just been in there myself  ;D

Awesome thanks Shaker and LaHug!

[Mr Salty]

Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

[elephants]

Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him

[HappyDEZ]

Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him

I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

[quinny88]

Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him

I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.

[ubeaut]

Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him

I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.

According to afl.com Hurn played on more than anyone in the comp. So he was already getting a lot of points from playing on. He may now play on even more, thus scoring more, but perhaps not as much as someone who also takes a lot of kick ins but didn't play on very often

[GoLions]

Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him

I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.

According to afl.com Hurn played on more than anyone in the comp. So he was already getting a lot of points from playing on. He may now play on even more, thus scoring more, but perhaps not as much as someone who also takes a lot of kick ins but didn't play on very often

Him and WitherGOAT both played on around 52% of the time iirc (could be wrong). It's in that kick-in stats article.

[HappyDEZ]

Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him

I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.

According to afl.com Hurn played on more than anyone in the comp. So he was already getting a lot of points from playing on. He may now play on even more, thus scoring more, but perhaps not as much as someone who also takes a lot of kick ins but didn't play on very often

Him and WitherGOAT both played on around 52% of the time iirc (could be wrong). It's in that kick-in stats article.

Good points you both make. JLT will be interesting.

[elephants]

Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him

I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.

Funnily enough I (without looking at the stats and just being at home games behind the goals) would say Hurn takes the long bombs to our two talls (2 of JJK, Darling, ruck) while we use Jetta's footskills for the short kicks. As maligned as he is Jetta's creativity and polish down back is actually pivotal to our transition (and flag, remember that? ;D)

[Woppa15]

Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....