2019 Premium Mids

[_wato]

Shoulders and lack of preseason isn't my concern with Clayto, it's Jack Viney ....

[elephants]

Shoulders and lack of preseason isn't my concern with Clayto, it's Jack Viney ....

I've heard this, and absolutely do not subscribe to the theory at all. For starters, Oliver is a better player than Viney, secondly, Oliver only drops off like 2ppg with Viney in the team. Its negligible and the shoulders and preseason will have far greater impact imo

[_wato]

Shoulders and lack of preseason isn't my concern with Clayto, it's Jack Viney ....

I've heard this, and absolutely do not subscribe to the theory at all. For starters, Oliver is a better player than Viney, secondly, Oliver only drops off like 2ppg with Viney in the team. Its negligible and the shoulders and preseason will have far greater impact imo

In 2018
Oliver with Viney
88, 98, 125, 127, 108, 59, 154, 111, 98, 102
1070/10=107

Oliver without Viney

123, 146, 75, 128, 104, 89, 124, 143
136, 127, 101, 147, 121, 93, 107
1764/15= 117.6

Not sure about your stats mate, but last year was a big indicator of the split. 10ppg difference.

[elephants]

Shoulders and lack of preseason isn't my concern with Clayto, it's Jack Viney ....

I've heard this, and absolutely do not subscribe to the theory at all. For starters, Oliver is a better player than Viney, secondly, Oliver only drops off like 2ppg with Viney in the team. Its negligible and the shoulders and preseason will have far greater impact imo

In 2018
Oliver with Viney
88, 98, 125, 127, 108, 59, 154, 111, 98, 102
1070/10=107

Oliver without Viney

123, 146, 75, 128, 104, 89, 124, 143
136, 127, 101, 147, 121, 93, 107
1764/15= 117.6

Not sure about your stats mate, but last year was a big indicator of the split. 10ppg difference.

Ah yeah, I work on DT numbers but the AF board is dead hence why I spend my time in here. Probably enough to warrant it coming into your thinking, though the 59 was when he was tagged by Steele (not Viney related), take that game out and its only a 5 point difference, probably a bit of a long bow to draw but eh

In any case I'm not touching him, surgery on both shoulders is a slut and only just coming out of rehab now

[Mat0369]

I posted this earlier, Oliver rarely put up a stinker the last two years. He had 3 games 80 or below (and one of those was an 80) in that period which is just crazy consistency. He has a high ceiling and a high floor. You would only expect him to keep improving.

[elephants]

I posted this earlier, Oliver rarely put up a stinker the last two years. He had 3 games 80 or below (and one of those was an 80) in that period which is just crazy consistency. He has a high ceiling and a high floor. You would only expect him to keep improving.

Even after having both shoulders done and limited preseason? Big ask to find another gear in 2019 imo

[Mat0369]

Shoulders probably are the best thing to get done in the pre-season. It doesn't hamper your running all that much and for a guy like Oliver you probably want him working on skills anyway. He is a contested beast that reads the taps of one of the best mids in the comp. If some running and outside polish is added to his game he is cruising.

[quinny88]

Shoulders probably are the best thing to get done in the pre-season. It doesn't hamper your running all that much and for a guy like Oliver you probably want him working on skills anyway. He is a contested beast that reads the taps of one of the best mids in the comp. If some running and outside polish is added to his game he is cruising.

Shoulders also the thing to keep getting hurt. The way he plays it's a risk. I just dont see the benefit in starting a guy that has a question mark when here are so many good options that have had full pre seasons

[_wato]

Who are the guys who have had full preseasons ..

Seems a lot of players these days are on modified shower ;D

[Mat0369]

Shoulders also the thing to keep getting hurt. The way he plays it's a risk. I just dont see the benefit in starting a guy that has a question mark when here are so many good options that have had full pre seasons

Quick Google search says he had the Latarjet procedure.

Pretty sure that's what Andrew Walker had done and it basically fixed the shoulder issues he had and saved his career. I think he underwent 3 shoulder recos before getting it.

It also sounds like Oliver played through last year with both shoulders constantly slipping out. That's fricken insane. For all the flopping he gets criticised for, you have to be tough as nails to do that.

Who are the guys who have had full preseasons ..

Seems a lot of players these days are on modified shower ;D

They are because teams don't want to run their players into the ground in pre-season

[_wato]

All I meant by my comment is that when you hear blah blah blah about this player and that player having full preseasons not missing a session hahaha it’s all a load of BS, they’re all managed and nobody knows really what they did unless their the clubs S&C coach

Can’t trust anything really, all I say is trust your gut based on past scoring history role and team, if they play jlt a huge bonus

[quinny88]

Who are the guys who have had full preseasons ..

Seems a lot of players these days are on modified shower ;D

Macrae, Cripps, Neale, Fyfe are the top line ones I'd take ahead of Oliver not sure how Josh Kelly's pre season has been?

Then you got some value picks that have had full pre seasons like Dusty and Matt Crouch.

I just don't like that we're 5 or so weeks from round 1 and he's still not in full training. It's reason enough for me to pick someone else

[elephants]

All I meant by my comment is that when you hear blah blah blah about this player and that player having full preseasons not missing a session hahaha it’s all a load of BS, they’re all managed and nobody knows really what they did unless their the clubs S&C coach

I dont see any reason for player or club to say someone hasn't missed a session if they've been on a heavily modified program. We don't know to what extent a preseason is good or bad, but having some idea helps us form a prediction for the upcoming season

[kilbluff1985]

would u guys go oliver to macrae if u had an extra 100k lying around u didnt know what to do with

[Ricochet]

would u guys go oliver to macrae if u had an extra 100k lying around u didnt know what to do with

Yes