2019 Premium Mids

[hawkers65]

Adam Treloar anyone? 3% of teams...

Too many pie mids, will likely cut into each other's scores. Don't think theres a clear standout in the group who could be a top 10 mid.

Heard this theory year after year but when it comes down to it good players or pigs just get the ball no matter who is on the field nothing will change this year

Just don't tend to see top 10 mids from teams with such deep midfields. Can happen, but less common than standouts I think (e.g. Fyfe, Cripps, Martin).

Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Kelly, Chappy
edit - or more recently where there was a dominant set of midfielders - JPK, Hanners, Parker

For me SL SC is difficult enough to get the right mix of players making the decision even harder worrying about players in the team of the mid  I'm picking just adds another layer confusion to the whole process ;D

Fair enough ;)

Wouldn't say any of the pie mids are a bad pick by any means, but IMO would be hard to pick which one will be the best, and if they'll be top 10. Treloar definitely a decent pick though :)

Expecting the Pies to have a very good year the new rules in mids with Grundy as a ruck seems to suit them a lot I could see 2 top ten mids and  1 or 2  bit lower but that's just my opinion  :D

Beams will get injured no doubt, sidey come off a career year and still only averaged 101. Treolar is the clear #1. After he went 112 everyone locked him but had a poor year, back to a 110 last year and heading into prime age. Dont see why he wouldn't push the 115 everyone thought he would 2 years ago now.

[AaronKirk]

Adam Treloar anyone? 3% of teams...

Too many pie mids, will likely cut into each other's scores. Don't think theres a clear standout in the group who could be a top 10 mid.

Heard this theory year after year but when it comes down to it good players or pigs just get the ball no matter who is on the field nothing will change this year

Just don't tend to see top 10 mids from teams with such deep midfields. Can happen, but less common than standouts I think (e.g. Fyfe, Cripps, Martin).

Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Kelly, Chappy
edit - or more recently where there was a dominant set of midfielders - JPK, Hanners, Parker

For me SL SC is difficult enough to get the right mix of players making the decision even harder worrying about players in the team of the mid  I'm picking just adds another layer confusion to the whole process ;D

Fair enough ;)

Wouldn't say any of the pie mids are a bad pick by any means, but IMO would be hard to pick which one will be the best, and if they'll be top 10. Treloar definitely a decent pick though :)

Expecting the Pies to have a very good year the new rules in mids with Grundy as a ruck seems to suit them a lot I could see 2 top ten mids and  1 or 2  bit lower but that's just my opinion  :D

Beams will get injured no doubt, sidey come off a career year and still only averaged 101. Treolar is the clear #1. After he went 112 everyone locked him but had a poor year, back to a 110 last year and heading into prime age. Dont see why he wouldn't push the 115 everyone thought he would 2 years ago now.

Beams only missed 1 game last season and was the best midfielder in the comp in the 2nd half of last year. Back in a strong pies side. Hopefully in a happier space mentally. Probably won't get tagged. Can see him having a big year.

[ubeaut]

Adam Treloar anyone? 3% of teams...

Too many pie mids, will likely cut into each other's scores. Don't think theres a clear standout in the group who could be a top 10 mid.

Heard this theory year after year but when it comes down to it good players or pigs just get the ball no matter who is on the field nothing will change this year

Just don't tend to see top 10 mids from teams with such deep midfields. Can happen, but less common than standouts I think (e.g. Fyfe, Cripps, Martin).

Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Kelly, Chappy
edit - or more recently where there was a dominant set of midfielders - JPK, Hanners, Parker

People bring up the Cats a lot in this argument. The difference was Bartel, Enright, Chapman were available as defenders/forwards so only needed to score 95-100 rather than 110.
The Pies guys are all mid only. No doubt a couple of them will be 110ish scorers, picking the right one/s is the trick.

[Pokerface]

Adam Treloar anyone? 3% of teams...

Too many pie mids, will likely cut into each other's scores. Don't think theres a clear standout in the group who could be a top 10 mid.

Heard this theory year after year but when it comes down to it good players or pigs just get the ball no matter who is on the field nothing will change this year

Just don't tend to see top 10 mids from teams with such deep midfields. Can happen, but less common than standouts I think (e.g. Fyfe, Cripps, Martin).

Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Kelly, Chappy
edit - or more recently where there was a dominant set of midfielders - JPK, Hanners, Parker

People bring up the Cats a lot in this argument. The difference was Bartel, Enright, Chapman were available as defenders/forwards so only needed to score 95-100 rather than 110.
The Pies guys are all mid only. No doubt a couple of them will be 110ish scorers, picking the right one/s is the trick.

The SC positions were irrelevant - they were playing mid and didn't really hurt each other's points. ABC especially when picked as a mid never worked out as a bad pick.

[Pokerface]

Adam Treloar anyone? 3% of teams...

Too many pie mids, will likely cut into each other's scores. Don't think theres a clear standout in the group who could be a top 10 mid.

Heard this theory year after year but when it comes down to it good players or pigs just get the ball no matter who is on the field nothing will change this year

Just don't tend to see top 10 mids from teams with such deep midfields. Can happen, but less common than standouts I think (e.g. Fyfe, Cripps, Martin).

Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Kelly, Chappy
edit - or more recently where there was a dominant set of midfielders - JPK, Hanners, Parker

I hear what you are saying, but what teams in the last 10 years have had that dominant midfield up there with the Pies? The classic Geelong side I mentioned.. I guess GWS recently and Kelly, Conigs and Ward are always safe picks. Yes Shiel never scored like a prem but I would argue that wasn't because he was surrounded by other gun mids.
Struggling to think of other dominant like-for-like midfield team comparisons.

[RaisyDaisy]

If you're going to pick a Pie then it has to be Treloar, followed by Beams

Treloar cannot play any other position and will be 100% mid. Beams should play plenty of mid and can go forward and kick goals

Adams, Pendles and Sidey are more flexible and in turn I can't see them pushing 110

[shaker]

If you're going to pick a Pie then it has to be Treloar, followed by Beams

Treloar cannot play any other position and will be 100% mid. Beams should play plenty of mid and can go forward and kick goals

Adams, Pendles and Sidey are more flexible and in turn I can't see them pushing 110

Adams averaged just on 110 from round 11 onwards last year he's on my radar for his price

[RaisyDaisy]

Wasn't actually aware of that

I dunno, I'd probably avoid starting any Pie tbh. They all seem like wait and see prospects

[ubeaut]

If you're going to pick a Pie then it has to be Treloar, followed by Beams

Treloar cannot play any other position and will be 100% mid. Beams should play plenty of mid and can go forward and kick goals

Adams, Pendles and Sidey are more flexible and in turn I can't see them pushing 110

Adams averaged just on 110 from round 11 onwards last year he's on my radar for his price

Because Treloar was injured. He's back and so is Beams.

[ubeaut]

How are SC positions irrelevant? If Chapman/Bartel/Enright averaged 100 but were only mid they wouldn't have been good picks. And therefore wouldn't be brought up in this argument.
If Pendles/Beams etc. were fwd then they'd be a good pick.

[Pokerface]

How are SC positions irrelevant? If Chapman/Bartel/Enright averaged 100 but were only mid they wouldn't have been good picks. And therefore wouldn't be brought up in this argument.
If Pendles/Beams etc. were fwd then they'd be a good pick.

I didn't mention Enright. Mainly talking ABC. Bartel was more than 100. But the discussion is too many mids affecting each others possessions (hence points) on field, not their SC positions. ABC, Kelly all played mid along with Chappy running through. Enright not part of the discussion as he wasnt chopping out their possessions - the issue at hand

[Pokerface]

If you're going to pick a Pie then it has to be Treloar, followed by Beams

Treloar cannot play any other position and will be 100% mid. Beams should play plenty of mid and can go forward and kick goals

Adams, Pendles and Sidey are more flexible and in turn I can't see them pushing 110

Adams averaged just on 110 from round 11 onwards last year he's on my radar for his price

Because Treloar was injured. He's back and so is Beams.

During the finals with Treloar back Adams scores 124, 90, 132, 130

[ubeaut]

How are SC positions irrelevant? If Chapman/Bartel/Enright averaged 100 but were only mid they wouldn't have been good picks. And therefore wouldn't be brought up in this argument.
If Pendles/Beams etc. were fwd then they'd be a good pick.

I didn't mention Enright. Mainly talking ABC. Bartel was more than 100. But the discussion is too many mids affecting each others possessions (hence points) on field, not their SC positions. ABC, Kelly all played mid along with Chappy running through. Enright not part of the discussion as he wasnt chopping out their possessions - the issue at hand

I get what you're saying. But it's also about how many SC guns you can have from one team, and defender/fwds don't have to average the same highs that mid only eligible players do, so Bartel and Chapman wouldn't have been relevant if they were mid only. So with the Pies mids all being mid only, it's harder to have more than 2 or 3 going 110+ and being picked, whereas if some were fwd/def eligible they'd be great picks.

[Pokerface]

How are SC positions irrelevant? If Chapman/Bartel/Enright averaged 100 but were only mid they wouldn't have been good picks. And therefore wouldn't be brought up in this argument.
If Pendles/Beams etc. were fwd then they'd be a good pick.

I didn't mention Enright. Mainly talking ABC. Bartel was more than 100. But the discussion is too many mids affecting each others possessions (hence points) on field, not their SC positions. ABC, Kelly all played mid along with Chappy running through. Enright not part of the discussion as he wasnt chopping out their possessions - the issue at hand

I get what you're saying. But it's also about how many SC guns you can have from one team, and defender/fwds don't have to average the same highs that mid only eligible players do, so Bartel and Chapman wouldn't have been relevant if they were mid only. So with the Pies mids all being mid only, it's harder to have more than 2 or 3 going 110+ and being picked, whereas if some were fwd/def eligible they'd be great picks.

I don't think anyone is suggesting to pick multiple pies mids. Having said that, going with Kelly/Conigs/Ward would never have been a bad starting set (injuries aside)

[RaisyDaisy]

Toying around with every scenario like we do, I actually don't think this is as crazy at it may appear

I was looking at the guys who are still within their peak age, and have a proven history of being able to go 105-110+ but are just cheaper than the top priced guys this year for one reason or another

Dusty, Crouch, Zerrett, Sloane, Zorko

Starting 4 of those guys, plus Miles at M5

Sloane is a rollercoaster for sure, but he can easily average enough to be good enough for M8 at worst, and to my surprise Zorko actually averaged 115 from Round 7 - 20 last year. It was just his first 6 weeks that he struggled, but he could easily bounce back to 105-110 too

Might look odd with no Macrae, Cripps, Fyfe, Oliver or Kelly there, but the money saved has bolstered other lines

Not saying I will do this for sure, but I think it's an option